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Thanks for this, Matt. I think we have reasonable connections between the groups, especially because of Dan. However the the connections may not be all that obvious to the community. I think we work at different levels. The research artifact group is still
working at a pretty high level of abstraction. Perhaps we should set aside code for the time being as FORCE11 is clearly further along in that area.
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<div class="">Just to let you know, I've been in a good fraction of these RO citation calls, as a co-lead of the FORCE11 work.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks for organizing the RO citation call, Mark. I'm sorry I can't make it this time, but I want to point out there is a related ongoing discussion and concrete work in these areas of research object citation and credit within the
<a href="https://github.com/force11/force11-sciwg" target="_blank" class="">Force 11 Software Citation Implementation working group</a>, and particularly through the CodeMeta task force (see
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issues</a> and <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s2mUS9JjIOq-4-0rZTFNaTO7W9umNF4mCf-uypPwGsQ" target="_blank" class="">
schema.org alignment outline</a>). That group has been working on aligning CodeMeta with
<a href="http://schema.org/" target="_blank" class="">schema.org</a>, and proposing specific approaches to, e.g., align the CREDIT taxonomy with e.g., ISO Role codes. See for example, this GitHub issue in which a
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specific proposal for using CREDIT</a> is being discussed. The vision is to also align with the
<a href="http://science-on-schema.org/" target="_blank" class="">science-on-schema.org</a> ESIP cluster's recommendations, and we've discussed merging the CodeMeta work with the Science on
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<div class="">Sorry I can't make the call, but I will definitely look for outcomes and try to feed them forward into the Force11 CodeMeta task force wherever possible.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:41 PM Parsons, Mark via Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank" class="">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">Meanwhile, we ponder the abstract concept of research artifact citation. I am ill-prepared, but let’s have our call tomorrow. </div>
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<div class="">1. Begin to work through the credit use case — how do the CReDIT, ISO and other attribution descriptions apply to the different research artifacts?</div>
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http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Research_Object_Citation</a></div>
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