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<p class="MsoNormal">Resending, cutting out large parts of earlier messages to reduce size from over 30 MB.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rama.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hampapuram Ramapriyan <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 18, 2022 1:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Ramdeen <sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com>; Lesley Wyborn <lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au>; Mark Parsons <parsonsm.work@icloud.com>; Daniel S. Katz <dskatz@illinois.edu>; Esip-citationguidelines <esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have taken a shot at a figure. All of you should have permission to comment. Here is the link -
<a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit#slide=id.p">
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit#slide=id.p</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know what you think. As I said, I am not a good artist, but I wanted to put down at least approximately what I had in mind.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rama. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Sarah Ramdeen <<a href="mailto:sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com">sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 16, 2022 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hampapuram Ramapriyan <<a href="mailto:hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com">hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lesley Wyborn <<a href="mailto:lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au">lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au</a>>; Mark Parsons <<a href="mailto:parsonsm.work@icloud.com">parsonsm.work@icloud.com</a>>; Daniel S. Katz <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu">dskatz@illinois.edu</a>>;
Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rama - a mixture of a flowchart and some images? Do you mean for the entire project or just the narrowing of the original objects from 24 possible to 9 clusters, to 5/6 object types, to the current focus on data?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Brief timeline from reviewing the meeting notes (which might help scope what should be included). As I was not part of this group from the beginning, I may be oversimplifying or missing some aspects, so grain of salt.... <o:p></o:p></p>
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ESIP created <a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdoi.org%2f10.6084%2fm9.figshare.8441816.v1&c=E,1,u9ag-BK7CKLTKdd6HQIsVeC5XwM7eT9P1L7wdp3C3PZjyYuO4vEYhiHYgeYTdLbg9iGHD44nhgnnqXWvfpZZhz36zN7GNogXXFC2AEfKw0ri9bc,&typo=1">
data citation guidelines</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
In 2018 this group "recognized a need to update citation guidelines wrt to PIDs and Enabling FAIR project.. CODATA says: Citation = reference for credit and access. BUT, it’s also used for all kinds of other things (impact, provenance, evaluation etc) and is
citation the way to do that?" (<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls/edit?usp=sharing">meeting notes</a>, page 39)<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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"Central question(s): Can we define general guidelines for citation of all research objects? Do we need to separate credit and access? "<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Did some preliminary work with <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rh-M4WV9kqcxGWuYYC6R39cBaKxwoW9F3KS7y_sZpNw/edit?usp=sharing">
scenarios</a> and <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XCo1eVxyLarCjQsn2bkHvNd9zDFC3RLj-6zAZ1Fu6Jg/edit?usp=sharing">
mapping metadata</a> standards (for machines)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<b>Group really kicked off in 2019 - with plans to develop use case and object matrix (Credit/Different object types)</b><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<b>Created a matrix with research objects and the roles needed for reproducibility (with at least 24 different objections/concepts)</b><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<b>This was narrowed to 9 clusters of object types</b><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Mark presented a <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://agu.confex.com/agu/fm19/mediafile/Handout/Paper612014/AGU%2520-%2520iPosterSessions.com.pdf">
poster on the topic at AGU</a><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
In 2020, began considerations on CRediT (<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls/edit?usp=sharing">meeting notes</a>, page 26)<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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"Begin to work through the credit use case — how do the CRedIT, ISO and other attribution descriptions apply to the different research artifacts?"<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<b>Work begins to narrow to 5/6 object types</b> (Data, Software, Physical Artifacts/Samples, Semantics, and Instruments [instruments sometimes switched with Education Objects])<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Activities/evidence begins to indicate CRediT doesn't work<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Identifying activities from object types for each CRediT role<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
Determining where the role would be cited (citations, acknowledgements, other documentation/metadata)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
Ranking each role as important or not to this community<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Given the amount of work needed, <b>decide to focus on one object type</b> - Data<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
Inspiration for paper - based on the growing support for CRediT and its lack of fit for our world, what is the next step, where do we want to go next?<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<br>
Sarah<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:08 AM Hampapuram Ramapriyan via Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yes – I would like it to be a flow diagram that shows the process we used to narrow down our considerations to data as the research artifact and authorship as the focus. I can’t
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