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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I like NO 3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Sarah Ramdeen <sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 22 February 2022 at 4:00 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Hampapuram Ramapriyan <hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Lesley Wyborn <lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au>, Mark Parsons <parsonsm.work@icloud.com>, "Daniel S. Katz" <dskatz@illinois.edu>, Esip-citationguidelines <esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Rama and everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is great Rama! I made an attempt at reorganizing it for visual flow through the points (someone should check I merged content correctly). Thinking about what Dan said about what worked/what didn't - I am not sure how to communicate
that. See slides 2 and 3, three being where I attempted to include what worked/didn't. Maybe if the dotted circles were labeled it might help? Feel free to disregard or edit as you see fit.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Link for reference <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fpresentation%2Fd%2F1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=77Em%2FCWtzad9MGxIBDbh1s8Gg1T08C2%2BdqmKQ9xzMHY%3D&reserved=0">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks!<br>
Sarah<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:40 PM Hampapuram Ramapriyan <<a href="mailto:hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com">hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I have changed from “permission to comment “ to permission to edit”. Please feel free to edit as you wish or reject altogether!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Rama.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Hampapuram Ramapriyan
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 18, 2022 1:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Ramdeen <<a href="mailto:sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com</a>>; Lesley Wyborn <<a href="mailto:lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au</a>>; Mark Parsons <<a href="mailto:parsonsm.work@icloud.com" target="_blank">parsonsm.work@icloud.com</a>>;
Daniel S. Katz <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu" target="_blank">dskatz@illinois.edu</a>>; Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Resending, cutting out large parts of earlier messages to reduce size from over 30 MB.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Rama.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Hampapuram Ramapriyan
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 18, 2022 1:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Ramdeen <<a href="mailto:sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com</a>>; Lesley Wyborn <<a href="mailto:lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au</a>>; Mark Parsons <<a href="mailto:parsonsm.work@icloud.com" target="_blank">parsonsm.work@icloud.com</a>>;
Daniel S. Katz <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu" target="_blank">dskatz@illinois.edu</a>>; Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I have taken a shot at a figure. All of you should have permission to comment. Here is the link -
<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fpresentation%2Fd%2F1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg%2Fedit%23slide%3Did.p&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=lXwROBCFyNkMZy%2BXpCawYI15C6OQTnVh8dp%2FmFVBr9M%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit#slide=id.p</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Please let me know what you think. As I said, I am not a good artist, but I wanted to put down at least approximately what I had in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Rama.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Sarah Ramdeen <<a href="mailto:sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 16, 2022 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hampapuram Ramapriyan <<a href="mailto:hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com" target="_blank">hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lesley Wyborn <<a href="mailto:lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au</a>>; Mark Parsons <<a href="mailto:parsonsm.work@icloud.com" target="_blank">parsonsm.work@icloud.com</a>>; Daniel S. Katz <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu" target="_blank">dskatz@illinois.edu</a>>;
Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Rama - a mixture of a flowchart and some images? Do you mean for the entire project or just the narrowing of the original objects from 24 possible to 9 clusters,
to 5/6 object types, to the current focus on data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Brief timeline from reviewing the meeting notes (which might help scope what should be included). As I was not part of this group from the beginning, I may be
oversimplifying or missing some aspects, so grain of salt.... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">ESIP created <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flinkprotect.cudasvc.com%2Furl%3Fa%3Dhttps%253a%252f%252fdoi.org%252f10.6084%252fm9.figshare.8441816.v1%26c%3DE%2C1%2Cu9ag-BK7CKLTKdd6HQIsVeC5XwM7eT9P1L7wdp3C3PZjyYuO4vEYhiHYgeYTdLbg9iGHD44nhgnnqXWvfpZZhz36zN7GNogXXFC2AEfKw0ri9bc%2C%26typo%3D1&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=n1bbbH72SHf%2B%2FbaxZGnKaA1KGK4Lx6ZSeB6QTtjC8Xs%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
data citation guidelines</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">In 2018 this group "recognized a need to update citation guidelines wrt to PIDs and Enabling FAIR project.. CODATA says: Citation = reference for credit and access. BUT, it’s also used for all kinds of other things (impact, provenance, evaluation
etc) and is citation the way to do that?" (<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=sk5009T2tWkQVTYQmMxP7JC8fXc0PJ%2F9c8smP1SSZzk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">meeting
notes</a>, page 39)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">"Central question(s): Can we define general guidelines for citation of all research objects? Do we need to separate credit and access? "<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Did some preliminary work with <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1Rh-M4WV9kqcxGWuYYC6R39cBaKxwoW9F3KS7y_sZpNw%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=pAU%2FPL3lZHHaL9UuDljrTS%2Bs9gIos0rGYJlvYYPrgpQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
scenarios</a> and <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheets%2Fd%2F1XCo1eVxyLarCjQsn2bkHvNd9zDFC3RLj-6zAZ1Fu6Jg%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=CrGSgxJ4T2DEG1ykm4%2FIcWpaApoUGGFAV6XdRF08LGQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
mapping metadata</a> standards (for machines)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo3">
<b><span lang="EN-US">Group really kicked off in 2019 - with plans to develop use case and object matrix (Credit/Different object types)</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<b><span lang="EN-US">This was narrowed to 9 clusters of object types</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Mark presented a <a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fviewer%3Furl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fagu.confex.com%2Fagu%2Ffm19%2Fmediafile%2FHandout%2FPaper612014%2FAGU%252520-%252520iPosterSessions.com.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=uXrzZ5Nx7mR3NIL5mDQn5qwQ6sfWAipqyBqk0QsPDBA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
poster on the topic at AGU</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l8 level1 lfo5">
<span lang="EN-US">In 2020, began considerations on CRediT (<a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7Clesley.wyborn%40anu.edu.au%7Cb7466b2daf21426bcb3b08d9f55b8a0e%7Ce37d725cab5c46249ae5f0533e486437%7C0%7C0%7C637810596522777669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=sk5009T2tWkQVTYQmMxP7JC8fXc0PJ%2F9c8smP1SSZzk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">meeting
notes</a>, page 26)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">"Begin to work through the credit use case — how do the CRedIT, ISO and other attribution descriptions apply to the different research artifacts?"<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<b><span lang="EN-US">Work begins to narrow to 5/6 object types</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> (Data, Software, Physical Artifacts/Samples, Semantics, and Instruments [instruments sometimes switched with Education Objects])<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo7">
<span lang="EN-US">Activities/evidence begins to indicate CRediT doesn't work<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Determining where the role would be cited (citations, acknowledgements, other documentation/metadata)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l6 level2 lfo8">
<span lang="EN-US">Ranking each role as important or not to this community<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Given the amount of work needed, <b>decide to focus on one object type</b> - Data<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo9">
<span lang="EN-US">Inspiration for paper - based on the growing support for CRediT and its lack of fit for our world, what is the next step, where do we want to go next?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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Sarah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:08 AM Hampapuram Ramapriyan via Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>>
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