<div dir="ltr">Hi Rama and everyone,<div><br></div><div>This is great Rama! I made an attempt at reorganizing it for visual flow through the points (someone should check I merged content correctly). Thinking about what Dan said about what worked/what didn't - I am not sure how to communicate that. See slides 2 and 3, three being where I attempted to include what worked/didn't. Maybe if the dotted circles were labeled it might help? Feel free to disregard or edit as you see fit.</div><div><br></div><div>Link for reference <a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit?usp=sharing</a></div><div><br>Thanks!<br>Sarah</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:40 PM Hampapuram Ramapriyan <<a href="mailto:hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com">hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have changed from “permission to comment “ to permission to edit”. Please feel free to edit as you wish or reject altogether!<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rama.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hampapuram Ramapriyan <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 18, 2022 1:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Ramdeen <<a href="mailto:sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com</a>>; Lesley Wyborn <<a href="mailto:lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au</a>>; Mark Parsons <<a href="mailto:parsonsm.work@icloud.com" target="_blank">parsonsm.work@icloud.com</a>>; Daniel S. Katz <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu" target="_blank">dskatz@illinois.edu</a>>; Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Resending, cutting out large parts of earlier messages to reduce size from over 30 MB.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rama.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Hampapuram Ramapriyan <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 18, 2022 1:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah Ramdeen <<a href="mailto:sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com</a>>; Lesley Wyborn <<a href="mailto:lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au</a>>; Mark Parsons <<a href="mailto:parsonsm.work@icloud.com" target="_blank">parsonsm.work@icloud.com</a>>;
Daniel S. Katz <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu" target="_blank">dskatz@illinois.edu</a>>; Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have taken a shot at a figure. All of you should have permission to comment. Here is the link -
<a href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit#slide=id.p" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cLY265_iM77zzlgW34WrRa7Wcv17_yfqL49JqX7tohg/edit#slide=id.p</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know what you think. As I said, I am not a good artist, but I wanted to put down at least approximately what I had in mind.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rama. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Sarah Ramdeen <<a href="mailto:sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com" target="_blank">sarah.ramdeen@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 16, 2022 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hampapuram Ramapriyan <<a href="mailto:hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com" target="_blank">hampapuram.ramapriya@ssaihq.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lesley Wyborn <<a href="mailto:lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">lesley.wyborn@anu.edu.au</a>>; Mark Parsons <<a href="mailto:parsonsm.work@icloud.com" target="_blank">parsonsm.work@icloud.com</a>>; Daniel S. Katz <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu" target="_blank">dskatz@illinois.edu</a>>;
Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Esip-citationguidelines] [EXTERNAL] EOS article for discussion tomorrow<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rama - a mixture of a flowchart and some images? Do you mean for the entire project or just the narrowing of the original objects from 24 possible to 9 clusters, to 5/6 object types, to the current focus on data?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Brief timeline from reviewing the meeting notes (which might help scope what should be included). As I was not part of this group from the beginning, I may be oversimplifying or missing some aspects, so grain of salt.... <u></u><u></u></p>
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ESIP created <a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdoi.org%2f10.6084%2fm9.figshare.8441816.v1&c=E,1,u9ag-BK7CKLTKdd6HQIsVeC5XwM7eT9P1L7wdp3C3PZjyYuO4vEYhiHYgeYTdLbg9iGHD44nhgnnqXWvfpZZhz36zN7GNogXXFC2AEfKw0ri9bc,&typo=1" target="_blank">
data citation guidelines</a><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
In 2018 this group "recognized a need to update citation guidelines wrt to PIDs and Enabling FAIR project.. CODATA says: Citation = reference for credit and access. BUT, it’s also used for all kinds of other things (impact, provenance, evaluation etc) and is
citation the way to do that?" (<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">meeting notes</a>, page 39)<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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"Central question(s): Can we define general guidelines for citation of all research objects? Do we need to separate credit and access? "<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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Did some preliminary work with <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rh-M4WV9kqcxGWuYYC6R39cBaKxwoW9F3KS7y_sZpNw/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">
scenarios</a> and <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XCo1eVxyLarCjQsn2bkHvNd9zDFC3RLj-6zAZ1Fu6Jg/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">
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<b>Group really kicked off in 2019 - with plans to develop use case and object matrix (Credit/Different object types)</b><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<b>Created a matrix with research objects and the roles needed for reproducibility (with at least 24 different objections/concepts)</b><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
<b>This was narrowed to 9 clusters of object types</b><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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Mark presented a <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://agu.confex.com/agu/fm19/mediafile/Handout/Paper612014/AGU%2520-%2520iPosterSessions.com.pdf" target="_blank">
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In 2020, began considerations on CRediT (<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">meeting notes</a>, page 26)<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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"Begin to work through the credit use case — how do the CRedIT, ISO and other attribution descriptions apply to the different research artifacts?"<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<b>Work begins to narrow to 5/6 object types</b> (Data, Software, Physical Artifacts/Samples, Semantics, and Instruments [instruments sometimes switched with Education Objects])<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Activities/evidence begins to indicate CRediT doesn't work<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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Identifying activities from object types for each CRediT role<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Determining where the role would be cited (citations, acknowledgements, other documentation/metadata)<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Ranking each role as important or not to this community<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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Given the amount of work needed, <b>decide to focus on one object type</b> - Data<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Inspiration for paper - based on the growing support for CRediT and its lack of fit for our world, what is the next step, where do we want to go next?<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes – I would like it to be a flow diagram that shows the process we used to narrow down our considerations to data as the research artifact and authorship as the focus. I can’t
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