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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Andale Mono"">I agree with what you say Bob, but now it looks a bit complicated to get into for this talk, so based on your input and Irina’s input, I think I will drop the article part, and save that for our Next
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On 10/21/20, 11:20, "Robert Downs" <<a href="mailto:rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu">rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Looking at slide 9, where the application and the article are both linked to the dataset, I am wondering whether, from a discovery perspective, the article, in that diagram, might be replaced with a database of
articles that cited the data for a particular application. Accessing such a database of relevant articles would allow the potential user to identify the different ways in which the data were used for the application, enabling them to determine which use would
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Robert R. Downs, PhD<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Andale Mono"">Yes, the point on “dataset citations” (vs…dataset identification?) is well taken. I myself vacillate back and forth. On the one hand, we need the identification of datasets to enable the basic discovery process.
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<span style="font-family:"Andale Mono"">OTOH, there are other potential benefits from this database of relationships, such as acknowledging the reuse of prior art (i.e., the input data products), enabling reproducibility and formal provenance that nudge me
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I’ve just been a lurker in this group but I love where you’ve got to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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The fact that foragers (nice term) "Need better data citation practices in Applications” and the general need for "Automated Harvesting of Relationships" is certainly something the citation cluster would be interested in working on too.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Mind, let’s be careful about the term ‘citation’ which generally means reference, credit, and access .It’s often necessary to be more explicit. Separating concerns and audiences is kinda the theme of our group.
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On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:51, Lynnes, Christopher S. (GSFC-5860) via Esip-discovery <<a href="mailto:esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-discovery@lists.esipfed.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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If you see anything glaring, please comment ASAP. I have to turn this in on Thursday (actually tomorrow, but that would be unrealistic.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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