[Esip-semanticharmonization] [EXT]Re: SKOS problem, Re: Reminder to join Wednesday's (2/16/2022 2-3 Eastern US, 6-7 UTC) ESIP Semantic Harmonization

[Nancy Wiegand]

I'm trying a reply all again, but I get error messages when I do that. 
So, we'll see.
        Anyway, for me, I realized the problem was, reading left to 
right, whether I think to myself 'has Broader category' or 'is broader 
category'. I think SKOS sets it as 'has' versus 'is'.
        So, 'mammals' has broader category 'animals'. This appears to be 
the SKOS convention. This coincides with what Kai just emailed. 
Personally, I'm not certain. But, should we go with that?
Nancy

On 2/17/2022 5:35 AM, kblumberg at email.arizona.edu wrote:
> In the SSSOM example see the readme on this page 
> <https://github.com/mapping-commons/SSSOM/> they set the table column 
> up as *subject_id*,*predicate_id*,*object_i* where subject is the 
> first ontology, predicate is the match type and object is the 2nd 
> ontology. So I'm guessing we can follow that for the order of the 
> mapping. For example the way we have it currently setup, the subject 
> is ENVO and object is SWEET. So if we were to for a given mapping say 
> the match type is broader following your above logic we'd be saying 
> the SWEET term is broader than the ENVO term.
>
> I hope we're on the same page, let me know if we're not.
> Cheers,
> Kai
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 11:57 PM Ruth Duerr <ruth.duerr3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     *External Email*
>
>     You know Nancy this is exactly why I brought the question up
>     during the meeting.  It is VERY confusing!!!  But I think
>     (crossing-my-fingers) you have it correctly.
>
>     Ruth
>
>     PS: Your message did actually go through via the email list, so I
>     did get it twice….
>
>>     On Feb 16, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Nancy Wiegand <wiegand at cs.wisc.edu>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>     I can't send to the group, so I'm forwarding to just the 4 of
>>     you. I'm sorry if I screwed things up. It is confusing.
>>
>>     Nancy
>>
>>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>     Subject: 	SKOS problem, Re: Reminder to join Wednesday's
>>     (2/16/2022 2-3 Eastern US, 6-7 UTC) ESIP Semantic Harmonization
>>     Date: 	Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:15:48 -0600
>>     From: 	Nancy Wiegand <wiegand at cs.wisc.edu>
>>     <mailto:wiegand at cs.wisc.edu>
>>     To: 	gbergcross at gmail.com, Ruth Duerr <ruth.duerr3 at gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:ruth.duerr3 at gmail.com>, Pier Buttigieg
>>     <pbuttigi at mpi-bremen.de> <mailto:pbuttigi at mpi-bremen.de>, Mark
>>     Schildhauer <schild at nceas.ucsb.edu>
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>>     <brandon.p.whitehead at gmail.com>
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>>     Rose <Kate.rose at noaa.gov> <mailto:Kate.rose at noaa.gov>
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>>     cverhey at oceannetworks.ca, Nancy Wiegand <wiegand at cs.wisc.edu>
>>     <mailto:wiegand at cs.wisc.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>     I might have the wrong direction regarding SKOS. At least it says
>>     (in https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secrel):
>>
>>     *"Note on |skos:broader| direction:* for historic reasons, the
>>     name of the |skos:broader| property (the word "broader") does not
>>     provide an explicit indication of its direction. The word
>>     "broader" should read here as "has broader concept"; the subject
>>     of a |skos:broader| statement is the more specific concept
>>     involved in the assertion and its object is the more generic one."
>>
>>     and:
>>     ex:mammals rdf:type skos:Concept;
>>        skos:prefLabel "mammals"@en;
>>        skos:broader ex:animals.
>>
>>     So, top to bottom, apparently the above would read as mammals 'has broader concept animals'. So, if our
>>       spreadsheet is read left to right, and if we consider left is top and right is bottom, then it would be:
>>     mammals  animals  broader
>>     This would read as 'mammals has broader concept animals'. But, I don't know. Since it's our own spreadsheet,
>>     maybe we could do it either way, although top=left and bottom=right probably is more similar.
>>
>>     Anyone know for sure?
>>
>>     Nancy
>>
>>     On 2/15/2022 11:27 AM, gbergcross at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>      Our next Semantic Harmonization 1 hour session is tomorrow. The
>>>     usual agenda for the 1 hour session is
>>>      to work on actual harmonization.  There is an opportunity
>>>     discussed on Monday (Brandon, Kate, Pier and Gary) from the
>>>     Marine domain.
>>>     There is some thought of updates for Coastal and Marine
>>>     Ecological Classification Standard (CMECS
>>>     <https://iocm.noaa.gov/standards/cmecs-home.html>) - a
>>>     "structured catalog of ecological terms that also provides a
>>>     framework for interpreting, classifying, and inter-relating
>>>     observational data from all types of sensors and platforms. "
>>>
>>>      Alignment with SWEET and ENVO is of interest starting with
>>>     using SKOS to enhance the vocabularies.
>>>     We can discuss what role SH might play in this.
>>>
>>>
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>>
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