<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Reading right to left rather than left to right seems to be what they want.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">This would mean reversing a few of the relations we set so far.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="garamond,serif" size="4">Gary Berg-Cross </font></div><div><font face="garamond,serif" size="4">Potomac, MD</font></div><div><font face="garamond,serif" size="4">240-426-0770</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:05 AM Nancy Wiegand <<a href="mailto:wiegand@cs.wisc.edu">wiegand@cs.wisc.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I'm trying a reply all again, but I get
error messages when I do that. So, we'll see.<br>
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<div> Anyway, for me, I realized the
problem was, reading left to right, whether I think to myself 'has
Broader category' or 'is broader category'. I think SKOS sets it
as 'has' versus 'is'.</div>
<div> So, 'mammals' has broader
category 'animals'. This appears to be the SKOS convention. This
coincides with what Kai just emailed. Personally, I'm not certain.
But, should we go with that?</div>
<div>Nancy</div>
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<div>On 2/17/2022 5:35 AM,
<a href="mailto:kblumberg@email.arizona.edu" target="_blank">kblumberg@email.arizona.edu</a> wrote:<br>
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<div>In the SSSOM example see the readme on <a href="https://github.com/mapping-commons/SSSOM/" target="_blank">this page</a> they set the table
column up as <b>subject_id</b>,<b> predicate_id</b>,<b>
object_i</b> where subject is the first ontology, predicate
is the match type and object is the 2nd ontology. So I'm
guessing we can follow that for the order of the mapping. For
example the way we have it currently setup, the subject is
ENVO and object is SWEET. So if we were to for a given mapping
say the match type is broader following your above logic we'd
be saying the SWEET term is broader than the ENVO term. <br>
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<div>I hope we're on the same page, let me know if we're not.</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Kai<br>
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wrote:<br>
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You know Nancy this is exactly why I brought the question up
during the meeting. It is VERY confusing!!! But I think
(crossing-my-fingers) you have it correctly.
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<div>Ruth</div>
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<div>PS: Your message did actually go through via the email
list, so I did get it twice….<br>
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<div>On Feb 16, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Nancy Wiegand <<a href="mailto:wiegand@cs.wisc.edu" target="_blank">wiegand@cs.wisc.edu</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p>I can't send to the group, so I'm forwarding to
just the 4 of you. I'm sorry if I screwed things
up. It is confusing.</p>
<p>Nancy<br>
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<div>-------- Forwarded Message --------
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">Subject: </th>
<td>SKOS problem, Re: Reminder to join
Wednesday's (2/16/2022 2-3 Eastern US,
6-7 UTC) ESIP Semantic Harmonization</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">Date: </th>
<td>Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:15:48 -0600</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">From: </th>
<td>Nancy Wiegand <a href="mailto:wiegand@cs.wisc.edu" target="_blank"><wiegand@cs.wisc.edu></a></td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">To: </th>
<td><a href="mailto:gbergcross@gmail.com" target="_blank">gbergcross@gmail.com</a>,
Ruth Duerr <a href="mailto:ruth.duerr3@gmail.com" target="_blank"><ruth.duerr3@gmail.com></a>,
Pier Buttigieg <a href="mailto:pbuttigi@mpi-bremen.de" target="_blank"><pbuttigi@mpi-bremen.de></a>,
Mark Schildhauer <a href="mailto:schild@nceas.ucsb.edu" target="_blank"><schild@nceas.ucsb.edu></a>,
Brandon Whitehead <a href="mailto:brandon.p.whitehead@gmail.com" target="_blank"><brandon.p.whitehead@gmail.com></a>,
Kai Blumberg <a href="mailto:kblumber@mpi-bremen.de" target="_blank"><kblumber@mpi-bremen.de></a>,
Kate Rose <a href="mailto:Kate.rose@noaa.gov" target="_blank"><Kate.rose@noaa.gov></a></td>
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<td>Simon Cox <a href="mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au" target="_blank"><Simon.Cox@csiro.au></a>,
Charlesl.lm8ms F. Vardeman II <a href="mailto:charles.vardeman@gmail.com" target="_blank"><charles.vardeman@gmail.com></a>,
Robert rovetto <a href="mailto:ontologos@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><ontologos@yahoo.com></a>,
Megan Carter <a href="mailto:megancarter@esipfed.org" target="_blank"><megancarter@esipfed.org></a>,
Esip-semanticharmonization <a href="mailto:esip-semanticharmonization@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank"><esip-semanticharmonization@lists.esipfed.org></a>,
Lewis John McGibbney Ph.D., B.Sc. <a href="mailto:lewis.j.mcgibbney@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank"><lewis.j.mcgibbney@jpl.nasa.gov></a>,
Anne Thessen <a href="mailto:annethessen@gmail.com" target="_blank"><annethessen@gmail.com></a>,
Lindsay Barbieri <a href="mailto:barbieri@esipfed.org" target="_blank"><barbieri@esipfed.org></a>,
<a href="mailto:cverhey@oceannetworks.ca" target="_blank">cverhey@oceannetworks.ca</a>,
Nancy Wiegand <a href="mailto:wiegand@cs.wisc.edu" target="_blank"><wiegand@cs.wisc.edu></a></td>
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<div>I might have the wrong direction regarding
SKOS. At least it says (in <a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secrel" target="_blank">https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secrel</a>):</div>
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<div><strong>"Note on <code>skos:broader</code>
direction:</strong> for historic reasons,
the name of the <code>skos:broader</code>
property (the word "broader") does not provide
an explicit indication of its direction. The
word "broader" should read here as "has
broader concept"; the subject of a <code>skos:broader</code>
statement is the more specific concept
involved in the assertion and its object is
the more generic one." <br>
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<div>and:</div>
<div>
<pre>ex:mammals rdf:type skos:Concept;
skos:prefLabel "mammals"@en;
skos:broader ex:animals.
So, top to bottom, apparently the above would read as mammals 'has broader concept animals'. So, if our
spreadsheet is read left to right, and if we consider left is top and right is bottom, then it would be:
mammals animals broader
This would read as 'mammals has broader concept animals'. But, I don't know. Since it's our own spreadsheet,
maybe we could do it either way, although top=left and bottom=right probably is more similar.
Anyone know for sure?
Nancy
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<div>On 2/15/2022 11:27 AM, <a href="mailto:gbergcross@gmail.com" target="_blank">gbergcross@gmail.com</a>
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next Semantic Harmonization 1 hour
session is tomorrow. The usual agenda
for the 1 hour session is<br>
to work on actual harmonization. There
is a<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">n</span>
opportunity discussed on Monday <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">(Brandon,
Kate, Pier and Gary) </span>from the
Marine domain<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">.</span><br>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">There
is some thought of </span>update<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">s
for</span> Coastal and Marine
Ecological Classification Standard (<a href="https://iocm.noaa.gov/standards/cmecs-home.html" target="_blank">CMECS</a>)
- a "structured catalog of ecological
terms that also provides a framework for
interpreting, classifying, and
inter-relating observational data from
all types of sensors and platforms. " <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4" face="garamond, times new roman, serif"> Alignment
with SWEET and ENVO is of interest
starting with using SKOS to enhance the
vocabularies.</font></div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4" face="garamond, times new roman, serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">We
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