[ESIP-all] ESIP Disaster Response cluster

Bruce Barkstrom brbarkstrom at gmail.com
Mon Feb 3 16:34:14 EST 2014

It might be worth adding a coulple of additional categories for bounds

   Disaster Coordination With Local (or Global) Officials
   Disaster Response Practising

Bruce B.

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Joe Hourcle
<oneiros at grace.nascom.nasa.gov>wrote:

> On Feb 3, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Eric Kihn wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Just to add a little to the conversation.
> >
> >
> http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2013/12/10/Scientist-Near-miss-solar-storm-should-be-a-wake-up-call/UPI-60331386713722/
> >
> > Dan Baker claims we had a "near" miss last year that would have been
> > larger than Carrington.
> I'm not going to deny that should a big one hit us, it'd be really, really
> bad ... but there's completely different information needed for
> *prediction* vs. *response*.
> For instance, for prediction:
>         http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/
>         http://iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov/
>         http://solarmonitor.org/
>         http://helioviewer.org/
> But for *response* ... you'd need to be able to answer questions like 'how
> many years is the backlog for a replacement transformer for my power
> substation?' or 'when and where are the satellites likely going to fall?'
> or even as simple as 'what areas don't have power?' or 'when can we use GPS
> again?'.
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110302-solar-flares-sun-storms-earth-danger-carrington-event-science/
> http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/21jan_severespaceweather/
> Most of the issues are similar to areas that have been hit by earthquakes,
> hurricane Katrina, tsunamis or the 2003 blackouts ... but on a wider scale
> (possibly the whole Earth), with the possibility of no communications
> satellites or GPS (and GPS is slated to be used for air traffic control).
>  So even if someone had spare parts for fixing blown transformers (very
> unlikely, as they'll all fail the same way), you might not be able to
> communicate with anyone to find out, or transport it once you find it.
> That's not to say that there aren't some systems that are detection ...
> bridging between prediction and response (eg, a satellite at L1 just
> detected something) ... but depending on what it is and how fast it's
> moving, they might not have a chance to sound an alert.  (and if they did,
> it might not be sufficient time for satellites near earth to be maneuvered
> to protect themselves)
> A year or two ago, I remember reading an article on Japan's disaster
> response system (or maybe I saw it on the news ... I tend to watch MHz
> WorldView) ... it was fed by seismic and marine data, and it could be used
> to judge how severe the damage was in various areas, correlated against
> population densities and info about how well reinforced structures were in
> that area, so they could determine what level of response was needed and
> where.  I'm not having luck finding it, though (most websites talk about
> the 2011 earthquake).
> I found something from the JMA on an update last year on their warning
> systems:
>         http://www.jma.go.jp/jma/en/Emergency_Warning/ew_index.html
> ...
> So anyway, my point is that you should clarify what the bounds of the
> group are:
>         Disaster Prediction
>         Disaster Detection
>         Disaster Warning
>         Disaster Response
> ... some response stuff is fairly universal (what areas were affected,
> where are the people most in need of help, what areas are too hazardous for
> responders, where are groups deployed to help, what resources are available
> / needed / deployed, what groups are participating in responding, etc.) ...
> but some of the specifics may not be.  (eg, for Katrina, they got
> industrial pumps from Germany ... but you may not know what specialty
> equipment needs to be tracked in advance of the disaster ... or that some
> specialty equipment even exists)
> -Joe
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