[Esip-citationguidelines] Contribution vs Credit vs Authorship for software – Daniel S. Katz's blog

[Matthew Mayernik]

Thanks Dan, I just posted my comment on the blog.

Best,
Matt

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 5:26 PM Daniel S. Katz via Esip-citationguidelines <
esip-citationguidelines at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:

> Yes, Matt, you should :)
>
> And sorry, Sophie and Matt, if I've borrowed your idea without sufficient
> credit. :)
>
> Dan (new to this list, since U. Illinois joined ESIP recently)
>
> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Parsons, Mark via Esip-citationguidelines <
> esip-citationguidelines at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>
> Good stuff. You should post a comment on Dan’s blog.
>
> cheers,
>
> -m.
>
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 09:41, Matthew Mayernik <mayernik at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
> And a paper, https://doi.org/10.2218/ijdc.v11i1.357.  One of the things
> we note, however, in our paper is that movie credits are a highly regulated
> form of credit. Most of the credit designations in movies are mediated by
> unions, guilds, etc. For example, screenwriting credits for hollywood
> movies have to be reviewed and approved by the Screenwriters Guild. To move
> in that direction within science would require the creation of analogous
> forms of institutionalized mediation.
>
> Another relevant point here is that this kind of approach was discussed at
> the American meteorological society meeting a few weeks ago and there was
> significant pushback, particularly by senior scientists. In specific, the
> concern cited most strongly was that it could make it harder for students,
> e.g. if a PI has an idea for a study that is then carried out and written
> up by a student, would the student be penalized when trying to get a job
> for not being the originator of the idea? In other words, there can be a
> double edge sword for transparency around work roles. Exposing that
> specific people contributed to tasks that are not conventionally considered
> to be important could a) raise the status of those tasks, or b) reduce the
> importance of the people doing those tasks. I would not be willing to make
> a prediction about which way the scale would tilt between those two.
>
> My point is that anything authorship-related is complicated, and hard to
> influence in a straight-forward way.
>
> Matt
>
> Matt
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> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:12 PM Sophie Hou via Esip-citationguidelines <
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>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I agree; especially since Matt and I had an IDCC15 poster demonstrating
>> exactly that: :-)
>>
>>
>> http://www.dcc.ac.uk/sites/default/files/documents/IDCC15/175_Creatingaclimatemodel.pdf
>>
>> Best,
>> Sophie
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:03 PM Parsons, Mark via Esip-citationguidelines
>> <esip-citationguidelines at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thoughts on credit from our friend Dan Katz.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://danielskatzblog.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/contribution-vs-credit-vs-authorship-for-software/
>>>
>>>
>>> I like how he works to separate the different levels of credit and more
>>> importantly:
>>>
>>> "In the longer term, we need to stop using the term author as the means
>>> of recognizing all significant contributions, and possibly go to a
>>> movie-like system where we name contributors and explain their
>>> contributions, and where author would be one of many types of contribution.”
>>>
>>> Something for us to consider.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> -m.
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