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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 11, 2022 5:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu <rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu>; Langseth, Madison L <mlangseth@usgs.gov><br>
<b>Cc:</b> esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org <esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [ESIP-ResearchArtifactCitation] Credit Session Takeaways</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="">Hi Madison</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="">I think the slides are great. </span>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="">Just a follow-up on things I was trying to present this morning,
</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="">this is the </span><span style="color:black">EGU 2022 abstract on
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<span style="color:#1155CC">User Identification and Authentication for Geophysical Data Centers: Exploring a Difficult Transition</span></a> and this is
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<span style="color:#1155CC">a link to the slides</span></a> from that presentation.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The issue is that NSF and other funders internationally are now wanting
</span>to repositories to provide information on what data and services are used by whom and for what purpose in greater detail than customary in the past, when bulk information about the number of users/accesses and volumes of download were deemed sufficient
in most cases. </p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">To some extent, the user identification on the repositories has been sorted out, although there are questions in Europe about this impinging on privacy legislation.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">The next steps is to be able to trace usage of data/samples etc from the primary repository in publications and yes, you can do this with knowledge graphs and other technical solutions, but it is
<b>ensuring that these foundational artefacts are citated in the downstream papers and how this is best done</b> that is why I get up (try and get up) once a month at 6:00 am to meet with you all!!!</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Most publications today only cite the <b>derivative</b> dataset that the paper is based on, not the source dataset/sample/repository that the derivative dataset is utilised and hence these source repositories are becoming ‘invisible’
in the funders eyes and cannot provide concrete evidence.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Rob Casey and I almost brought the issue to ESIP 2022 July meeting, but we ran out of time. TO some extent it also overlaps with what this cluster is also trying to achieve (or at least I think it does….)</p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Esip-citationguidelines <esip-citationguidelines-bounces@lists.esipfed.org> on behalf of Robert Downs via Esip-citationguidelines <esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 12 August 2022 at 8:31 am<br>
<b>To: </b>Langseth, Madison L <mlangseth@usgs.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org <esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [ESIP-ResearchArtifactCitation] Credit Session Takeaways</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Yes, these look great, Madison! In addition to the simplified bullet kindly offered by Ted, perhaps the last bullet could be simplified a bit to be more like the following:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"garamond",serif; color:#999999">Robert R. Downs, PhD</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"garamond",serif; color:#999999">Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of Research<br>
Acting Head of Cyberinfrastructure and Informatics Research and Development<br>
Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN),<br>
Columbia Climate School, Columbia University<br>
P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA<br>
Voice: 845-365-8985; fax: 845-365-8922<br>
E-mail: </span><a href="mailto:rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"garamond",serif">rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu</span></a></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 5:27 PM Langseth, Madison L via Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Thanks to everyone who was able to join the cluster meeting today! We had a great discussion today around next steps for the cluster and we will continue that next month. Next week is the session
highlights webinar from the ESIP Summer Meeting. I've created a </span><a href="https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fpresentation%2Fd%2F1UN-eqqeDN--4eRYkvHwq4aGmDHQSrNLdf4bGpOimsM8%2Fedit%23slide%3Did.g1405712eec4_0_0&data=05%7C01%7Cmlangseth%40usgs.gov%7C2645c6e49c7d4290c2ad08da7bee7fe5%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637958561545019406%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EKaMp71KhgP8HrGX8FPPb2t7TeHGFWkNR3sbSSKkDcE%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UN-eqqeDN--4eRYkvHwq4aGmDHQSrNLdf4bGpOimsM8/edit#slide=id.g1405712eec4_0_0" shash="kWwAIEc303EruWIYpuQf8wFTV5olB3FCtWydNrgwDoSfQajv6VLEN7YcnpcNQsM5noypNLrWvFI9B4MRozwkzR3FUG0eFBbF3RPH0tO6KZ+XdSgPHhMq07UoSuCFWjedMhuAeeziHZ3izZ1GzeOk2wfw4wQ5mQ2YNzfq3a9ypA4=" target="_blank" title="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UN-eqqeDN--4eRYkvHwq4aGmDHQSrNLdf4bGpOimsM8/edit#slide=id.g1405712eec4_0_0"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">slide
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<li class="x_MsoNormal" style="color:black; margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Project teams need guidance about how and what roles to assign credit </span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style="color:black; margin-bottom:10.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Research community needs tools for visualizing or gaining insight into specific aspects of the PID graph</span></li><li class="x_MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ESIP Research Artifact Citation Cluster is best suited to helping establish/promote social norms (as opposed to developing technical solutions)</span></li></ul>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Let me know if you have a better takeaway to contribute (and which current one you think it should replace) or if any of these should be rephrased. Please let me know by 12:00 pm MT on Monday,
August 15 so I can submit the final slide by the end of the day Monday.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt; font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif; color:#323130; background:white">Madison Langseth (she/hers)</span></i><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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