<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Diana, all,</div><div>I am co-PI of a recent NSF Research Coordination Network (RCN) grant focused on PIDs for facilities and instruments. We are still in early phases, but are planning to dig into the benefits and drawbacks of using RRIDs vs DOIs for instruments and facilities. Anita B. is on our project's advisory group. We were already planning to organize a session on this topic for the summer ESIP meeting, so if others are interested, I'd be happy to talk more and work together on a session.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is our project web site: <a href="https://ncar.github.io/FAIR-Facilities-Instruments/">https://ncar.github.io/FAIR-Facilities-Instruments/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Matt</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew Mayernik</div><div>Project Scientist & Research Data Services Specialist</div><div>NCAR Library<br></div><div>National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)</div><div>University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR)</div><div>Boulder, CO</div><div><a href="mailto:mayernik@ucar.edu">mayernik@ucar.edu</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 11:57 AM Daniel Katz via Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I've had lots of discussions with Anita B. (from <a href="https://www.scicrunch.com" target="_blank">SciCrunch</a>, which manages RRIDs) about them. We've had fairly strong disagreements about the role of RRIDs for software, but mostly come to the agreement that they are ok to use for software packages (not versions but overall concepts - all versions) in the life sciences.<div><br></div><div>Other disciplines have other PIDs that they use for software, which is confusing and difficult.</div><div><br></div><div>This is unlike data, where DOIs have become standard.</div><div><br></div><div>For more on repository and registry practices related to software, see <a href="https://scicodes.net/" target="_blank">https://scicodes.net/</a> and <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.13117" target="_blank">https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.13117</a></div><div><br></div><div>Dan</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 28, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Diana via Esip-citationguidelines <<a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" target="_blank">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi everyone,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I am wondering if this group has ever discussed RRIDs? In my brief review, the system appears to target the life sciences, but may be able to address the repository question that we have discussed(?)</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> Warm regards</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Diana</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">URL:</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href="https://watermark.silverchair.com/giac058.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAuswggLnBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggLYMIIC1AIBADCCAs0GCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMTjlF90wzqrpBge0yAgEQgIICnjN2vCMlzO71FV8ODdyPuQ0uUxumbJxzh9o2EiLs4WiVxdCM7UnravZ865sTy4TQjPB2YepyGxkRdLN-5CbTfdMguXTV7GMxqJya_xey2g1LJqWsHft4ZJKep7jQq4gfFmwAXEns_i_Qb_unSCeU7ane5QfSPXbHf9wDwcvot_jeVv-D9K1QBlTQelqShSfHJvk5VLzIBVtaC0IodphwUEoADzQtz0gh8i_VoiA7-a-Zx7pktH03va7RbW88SfSHfCJ3auz594soDa37XJO1cLpEDpkO4JgSG6KQQCtps93PnyjTQdHNNHTBoc3lnCH4dVTYacN3zG47MfQAvJQz5PT6sRxBPAo200RB2cO75RXcOWjMCbVyBY9-7AfTuT7-mmHdivRblvn6xZveCeVEF9mzVAJU1agN5aV433riACcM1e4AoxubSnKt9nZt8g7krCcEJccJhcl3E37unbVzMPYeiTL_O-WHb0Ifaipmj6KNAFkl7rubGY-rvIuaND9sq65_1fwngfDI9Qmhbt4asMMcjL5Zd8DeAf1PnFI6B6mbgtYncqMtWf2ZYURKfyToPFm1v67OlCJfhScU9xTHNTKFBWVTXhytuV0LhUvqKWgUw5X1Dmuins3YTPxUTfpUqppdmMNWiSHVKIdZLr0GtaMDFTjSkwCQfjk9CLZVgm1PjbMMlL8bTbwaSzAkpDtOLEcB56GPVj0HoG2FHyRtuzEJy4yp3bdj7j_ThqQ97Qp47bclSyVQTuv6eHiHVLdhQNqgOJ8JSJSkWpB9_IVEge0V-6rpccIsNlXnkmiGoxXyqGwCaig1FXFf4vQhDFIfO7YJrL_kYKvUgCrJuoCl678fchn2j7Teojig27QBOCvqX4dpKjzvapbFjiG0JTc" target="_blank">giac058.pdf (silverchair.com)</a><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">  </div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">EXERPT:</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">RIDs are not for citing ideas or data since well-developed cita tion systems already exist for that. Instead, RRID numbers are created by repositories that distribute the research resource, such as Addgene for plasmids, or the National Xenopus Resource for transgenic frogs.<br></div><span id="m_-6663737432229779097cid:8F85055F-89E9-4701-AEDF-9F357CE2351D"><giac058.pdf></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Esip-citationguidelines mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:10px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-i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