<div dir="ltr"><div>Diana,</div><div><br></div><div>Does the LC Standard Identifiers vocabulary draw from the <a href="http://identifiers.org">identifiers.org</a> resolution service? We find their registry to be quite comprehensive and a machine readable source for our federated data systems, and it is continuously updated as new RRIDs and other identifier types get created. Here's the registry of identifier types: <a href="https://registry.identifiers.org/registry">https://registry.identifiers.org/registry</a> The <a href="http://science-on-schema.org">science-on-schema.org</a> group decided to recommend the use of the <a href="http://identifiers.org">identifiers.org</a> vocabulary as the source for standard URLs for identifier schemes: <a href="https://github.com/ESIPFed/science-on-schema.org/blob/master/guides/Dataset.md#identifier">https://github.com/ESIPFed/science-on-schema.org/blob/master/guides/Dataset.md#identifier</a></div><div><br></div><div>I'd be interested in the ESIP session as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Matt</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Matthew B. Jones</b></div><div>ORCID: <a href="https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0077-4738" target="_blank">0000-0003-0077-4738</a></div><div>
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I would be very interested in working together on a session for the Summer ESIP meeting. Please let me know how I can help! </div>
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Recently, I have been focusing on persistent identifier systems. There are many. The Library of Congress maintains a list <a href="https://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/identifiers.html" target="_blank">Standard Identifiers - LC Linked Data Service: Authorities
and Vocabularies | Library of Congress (loc.gov)</a>. It <span style="display:inline;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
was last updated in 2020 and </span>does not contain all of the systems relevant to science. I was thinking of suggesting a review of these systems a the upcoming meeting of the Research Artifact Citation group. It would be useful to identify where there is
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<span style="font-size:12pt;margin:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Dan, As a technologist, I understand the difficulty of developing a persistent identifier system for software. I need to catch up on
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 28, 2023 4:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Diana <<a href="mailto:diana.ma@hippocampusanalytics.com" target="_blank">diana.ma@hippocampusanalytics.com</a>><br>
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<div>I am co-PI of a recent NSF Research Coordination Network (RCN) grant focused on PIDs for facilities and instruments. We are still in early phases, but are planning to dig into the benefits and drawbacks of using RRIDs vs DOIs for instruments and facilities.
Anita B. is on our project's advisory group. We were already planning to organize a session on this topic for the summer ESIP meeting, so if others are interested, I'd be happy to talk more and work together on a session.<br>
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<div>Here is our project web site: <a href="https://ncar.github.io/FAIR-Facilities-Instruments/" target="_blank">
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<div>University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR)</div>
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<div>I've had lots of discussions with Anita B. (from <a href="https://www.scicrunch.com" target="_blank">SciCrunch</a>, which manages RRIDs) about them. We've had fairly strong disagreements about the role of RRIDs for software, but mostly come to the agreement
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<div>Other disciplines have other PIDs that they use for software, which is confusing and difficult.</div>
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<div>This is unlike data, where DOIs have become standard.</div>
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<div>For more on repository and registry practices related to software, see <a href="https://scicodes.net/" target="_blank">https://scicodes.net/</a> and <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.13117" target="_blank">https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.13117</a></div>
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I am wondering if this group has ever discussed RRIDs? In my brief review, the system appears to target the life sciences, but may be able to address the repository question that we have discussed(?)</div>
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RIDs are not for citing ideas or data since well-developed cita tion systems already exist for that. Instead, RRID numbers are created by repositories that distribute the research resource, such as Addgene for plasmids, or the National Xenopus Resource for
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<span style="font-family:Courier">Research Associate Professor, iSchool</span><br style="font-family:Courier">
<span style="font-family:Courier">University of Illinois</span><br style="font-family:Courier">
<span style="font-family:Courier">(217) 244-8000</span><br style="font-family:Courier">
<span style="font-family:Courier"><a href="mailto:d.katz@ieee.org" target="_blank">d.katz@ieee.org</a> or <a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu" target="_blank">dskatz@illinois.edu</a></span><br style="font-family:Courier">
<span style="font-family:Courier"><a href="https://danielskatz.org" target="_blank">https://danielskatz.org</a></span></div>
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