<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Hi Diana-<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Got a 404 on your .htm reference for standard identifiers, but I think I managed to pull up the list via the LOC search engine:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://id.loc.gov/search/?q=memberOf:http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/identifiers/collection_identifiers" class="">https://id.loc.gov/search/?q=memberOf:http://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/identifiers/collection_identifiers</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-Rob</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 29, 2023, at 8:35 AM, <a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines-request@lists.esipfed.org" class="">esip-citationguidelines-request@lists.esipfed.org</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Send Esip-citationguidelines mailing list submissions to<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="mailto:esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org" class="">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org</a><br class=""><br class="">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>https://lists.esipfed.org/mailman/listinfo/esip-citationguidelines<br class="">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>esip-citationguidelines-request@lists.esipfed.org<br class=""><br class="">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>esip-citationguidelines-owner@lists.esipfed.org<br class=""><br class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br class="">than "Re: Contents of Esip-citationguidelines digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. Re: RRIDs (Matthew Mayernik)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 1<br class="">Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:35:00 -0600<br class="">From: Matthew Mayernik <mayernik@ucar.edu><br class="">To: Diana <diana.ma@hippocampusanalytics.com><br class="">Cc: "esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org"<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org><br class="">Subject: Re: [ESIP-ResearchArtifactCitation] RRIDs<br class="">Message-ID:<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><CAO65M8eHg=LOR0SNiBQ4=vsxF2trW5uxM951vKN+ebQfsD5RvQ@mail.gmail.com><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class="">Thanks Diana, I would be happy to have you involved as we put together our<br class="">session. It probably won't be until later in April, but I can loop you in<br class="">as we get some ideas together,<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class="">Matt<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 5:58?AM Diana <diana.ma@hippocampusanalytics.com><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Matthew,<br class=""><br class="">I would be very interested in working together on a session for the Summer<br class="">ESIP meeting. Please let me know how I can help!<br class=""><br class="">Recently, I have been focusing on persistent identifier systems. There are<br class="">many. The Library of Congress maintains a list Standard Identifiers - LC<br class="">Linked Data Service: Authorities and Vocabularies | Library of Congress<br class="">(loc.gov) <https://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/identifiers.html>. It was last<br class="">updated in 2020 and does not contain all of the systems relevant to<br class="">science. I was thinking of suggesting a review of these systems a the<br class="">upcoming meeting of the Research Artifact Citation group. It would be<br class="">useful to identify where there is duplication and where there are holes.<br class=""><br class="">Dan, As a technologist, I understand the difficulty of developing a<br class="">persistent identifier system for software. I need to catch up on the<br class="">resources you shared. Thank you for providing them!<br class=""><br class="">Best<br class="">Diana<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Standard Identifiers - LC Linked Data Service: Authorities and<br class="">Vocabularies | Library of Congress<br class=""><https://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/identifiers.html><br class="">The Linked Data Service provides access to commonly found standards and<br class="">vocabularies promulgated by the Library of Congress. This includes data<br class="">values and the controlled vocabularies that house them. Datasets available<br class="">include LCSH, BIBFRAME, LC Name Authorities, LC Classification, MARC codes,<br class="">PREMIS vocabularies, ISO language codes, and more.<br class="">id.loc.gov<br class=""><br class="">------------------------------<br class="">*From:* Matthew Mayernik <mayernik@ucar.edu><br class="">*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2023 4:44 PM<br class="">*To:* Diana <diana.ma@hippocampusanalytics.com><br class="">*Cc:* esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org <<br class="">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org><br class="">*Subject:* Re: [ESIP-ResearchArtifactCitation] RRIDs<br class=""><br class="">Hi Diana, all,<br class="">I am co-PI of a recent NSF Research Coordination Network (RCN) grant<br class="">focused on PIDs for facilities and instruments. We are still in early<br class="">phases, but are planning to dig into the benefits and drawbacks of using<br class="">RRIDs vs DOIs for instruments and facilities. Anita B. is on our project's<br class="">advisory group. We were already planning to organize a session on this<br class="">topic for the summer ESIP meeting, so if others are interested, I'd be<br class="">happy to talk more and work together on a session.<br class=""><br class="">Here is our project web site:<br class="">https://ncar.github.io/FAIR-Facilities-Instruments/<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class="">Matt<br class=""><br class="">Matthew Mayernik<br class="">Project Scientist & Research Data Services Specialist<br class="">NCAR Library<br class="">National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)<br class="">University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR)<br class="">Boulder, CO<br class="">mayernik@ucar.edu<br class=""><br class="">On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 11:57?AM Daniel Katz via Esip-citationguidelines <<br class="">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I've had lots of discussions with Anita B. (from SciCrunch<br class=""><https://www.scicrunch.com>, which manages RRIDs) about them. We've had<br class="">fairly strong disagreements about the role of RRIDs for software, but<br class="">mostly come to the agreement that they are ok to use for software packages<br class="">(not versions but overall concepts - all versions) in the life sciences.<br class=""><br class="">Other disciplines have other PIDs that they use for software, which is<br class="">confusing and difficult.<br class=""><br class="">This is unlike data, where DOIs have become standard.<br class=""><br class="">For more on repository and registry practices related to software, see<br class="">https://scicodes.net/ and https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.13117<br class=""><br class="">Dan<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Mar 28, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Diana via Esip-citationguidelines <<br class="">esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi everyone,<br class=""><br class="">I am wondering if this group has ever discussed RRIDs? In my brief review,<br class="">the system appears to target the life sciences, but may be able to address<br class="">the repository question that we have discussed(?)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> Warm regards<br class="">Diana<br class=""><br class="">URL:<br class="">giac058.pdf (silverchair.com)<br class=""><https://watermark.silverchair.com/giac058.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAuswggLnBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggLYMIIC1AIBADCCAs0GCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMTjlF90wzqrpBge0yAgEQgIICnjN2vCMlzO71FV8ODdyPuQ0uUxumbJxzh9o2EiLs4WiVxdCM7UnravZ865sTy4TQjPB2YepyGxkRdLN-5CbTfdMguXTV7GMxqJya_xey2g1LJqWsHft4ZJKep7jQq4gfFmwAXEns_i_Qb_unSCeU7ane5QfSPXbHf9wDwcvot_jeVv-D9K1QBlTQelqShSfHJvk5VLzIBVtaC0IodphwUEoADzQtz0gh8i_VoiA7-a-Zx7pktH03va7RbW88SfSHfCJ3auz594soDa37XJO1cLpEDpkO4JgSG6KQQCtps93PnyjTQdHNNHTBoc3lnCH4dVTYacN3zG47MfQAvJQz5PT6sRxBPAo200RB2cO75RXcOWjMCbVyBY9-7AfTuT7-mmHdivRblvn6xZveCeVEF9mzVAJU1agN5aV433riACcM1e4AoxubSnKt9nZt8g7krCcEJccJhcl3E37unbVzMPYeiTL_O-WHb0Ifaipmj6KNAFkl7rubGY-rvIuaND9sq65_1fwngfDI9Qmhbt4asMMcjL5Zd8DeAf1PnFI6B6mbgtYncqMtWf2ZYURKfyToPFm1v67OlCJfhScU9xTHNTKFBWVTXhytuV0LhUvqKWgUw5X1Dmuins3YTPxUTfpUqppdmMNWiSHVKIdZLr0GtaMDFTjSkwCQfjk9CLZVgm1PjbMMlL8bTbwaSzAkpDtOLEcB56GPVj0HoG2FHyRtuzEJy4yp3bdj7j_ThqQ97Qp47bclSyVQTuv6eHiHVLdhQNqgOJ8JSJSkWpB9_IV<br class=""></blockquote> Ege0V-6rpccIsNlXnkmiGoxXyqGwCaig1FXFf4vQhDFIfO7YJrL_kYKvUgCrJuoCl678fchn2j7Teojig27QBOCvqX4dpKjzvapbFjiG0JTc><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br class="">EXERPT:<br class="">RIDs are not for citing ideas or data since well-developed cita tion<br class="">systems already exist for that. Instead, RRID numbers are created by<br class="">repositories that distribute the research resource, such as Addgene for<br class="">plasmids, or the National Xenopus Resource for transgenic frogs.<br class=""><giac058.pdf><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Esip-citationguidelines mailing list<br class="">To start a new topic: Esip-citationguidelines@lists.esipfed.org<br class="">To unsubscribe and manage prefs:<br class="">https://lists.esipfed.org/mailman/listinfo/esip-citationguidelines<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">Daniel S. 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