[Esip-infoquality] Peng's slides: FW: IQC telecon

Wed Nov 14 10:27:31 EST 2018

Thank you, Denise and Peter, for your excellent comments.

I am looping Matt, who is the DSC Chair, in as I think that this discussion
clearly demonstrates the need and urgency for the Data-Rick-Factors (White)
paper.

Thanks a lot, Chung-lin, for getting this great discussion started.

--- Peng

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Denise Hills via Esip-infoquality <
esip-infoquality at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:

> All,
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> This is a great discussion, and one that is near and dear to my heart.
> Data preservation and data rescue definitely overlap, but do also cover
> some different aspects of the data life cycle.
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> Several of us have proposed a session at the upcoming winter meeting that
> I encourage you all to look into that hopes to explore some of these
> issues, particularly around how you assess data risk. The Data Stewardship
> committee also has been working on collecting “data risk factors” which
> might be of interest (there’s lots of good links here):
> http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Data_Risk_Factors
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> D
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> --
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> Denise Hills
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> Director, Energy Investigations
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> *From: *Esip-infoquality <esip-infoquality-bounces at lists.esipfed.org> on
> behalf of Peter Cornillon via Esip-infoquality <esip-infoquality at lists.
> esipfed.org>
> *Reply-To: *Peter Cornillon <pcornillon at me.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 11:16 PM
> *To: *"Shie, Chung-lin (GSFC-610.2)[UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND BALTIMORE
> COUNTY]" <chung-lin.shie-1 at nasa.gov>
> *Cc: *"esip-infoquality at lists.esipfed.org" <esip-infoquality at lists.
> esipfed.org>
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> *Subject: *Re: [Esip-infoquality] Peng's slides: FW: IQC telecon
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> Hi Chung-Lin,
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> I do not think that you are overly concerned with regard to data
> rescue/preservation although I must admit that I struggle with the
> distinction between the two terms. To me, data rescue means preserving for
> the future data that is in danger of being lost. Regardless of how it is
> defined, there are a LOT of data that are in danger of being lost and there
> are horror stories of massive amounts of data that have been lost. For
> example, I have boxes of data on old digital media that may no longer be
> recoverable but that may be of value, if not now, in the not too distant
> future. Although the data may not be documented to the extent required for
> some applications they may be for others. For example, VHRR data (the
> predecessor of AVHRR) extended back to 1975. They were of too low quality
> to provide good sea surface temperature fields but they were fine to
> delineate the edge of the Gulf Stream and the large eddies in the vicinity
> of the stream — both extremely important in climate considerations. But,
> because they did not provide good SST values they were discarded. In a
> changing climate with questions about possible changes in the Gulf Stream
> these data might have been of significant value now had they been
> preserved/rescued. The problem is that decisions to retain data often do
> not look into alternative uses of the data or value that the data may have
> in the future. It is also particularly galling that the cost of preserving
> the data is relatively low compared to the cost of collecting it.
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> Peter
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> On Nov 13, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Shie, Chung-lin (GSFC-610.2)[UNIVERSITY OF
> MARYLAND BALTIMORE COUNTY] via Esip-infoquality <esip-infoquality at lists.
> esipfed.org> wrote:
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> Hello Peng,
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> What an excellent lesson on data rescue I’ve just learned from you!  Many
> thanks.  I guess I must have been “overconcerned” about the fate of those
> potential “politically endangered data”.  In any case, I’m truly glad and
> grateful for having professional peers like you with both knowledge and
> conscience.  Thanks again!
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> All the best,
>
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> Chung-Lin
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> *From: *Ge Peng - NOAA Affiliate <ge.peng at noaa.gov>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 4:21 PM
> *To: *Chung-Lin Shie <chung-lin.shie-1 at nasa.gov>
> *Cc: *Hampapuram Ramapriyan <hampapuram.ramapriya at ssaihq.com>, "
> esip-infoquality at lists.esipfed.org" <esip-infoquality at lists.esipfed.org>,
> Ge Peng <ge.peng at noaa.gov>
> *Subject: *Re: [Esip-infoquality] Peng's slides: FW: IQC telecon
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> Hi Chung-Lin,
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> Thanks a lot for your positive comment. Glad you enjoyed the presentation.
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> The data rescue issue touches on many different areas and perspectives –
> some of those are beyond the scope of data preservation. It can be related
> to rescue data from its obsolete format such as physical records. It can
> also be related to rescue data from politically endangered data sources as
> you have mentioned. You may have already known that ESIP DSC had a session
> at the ESIP 2018 Summer Meeting to identify data risk factors – there are a
> lot of them!
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> In my opinion and generally speaking, if a dataset is well-managed,
> well-preserved, well-documented, publicly available and usable, the risk
> for it to disappear is low; so is the need for it to be rescued. Perhaps,
> stewardship maturity models can be used to measure the data risk and the
> need of data rescue from the stewardship practice perspective.
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> Having said that, I do not consider myself as an expert on data rescue so
> please correct me if I am wrong.
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> Appreciate the discussions.
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> --- Peng
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> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Shie, Chung-lin (GSFC-610.2)[UNIVERSITY
> OF MARYLAND BALTIMORE COUNTY] <chung-lin.shie-1 at nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Peng, thank you very much again for giving an excellent presentation full
> of crucial and useful info.  Just one more comment: wonder the WMO SMM-CD
> might also consider to include “data rescue” into “data preservation” if
> not yet?  The “news” about the Department Interior’s recent request to
> destroy data, if indeed true, should have concerned us, in my opinion.
> Thanks.  – Chung-Lin
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> *From: *Esip-infoquality <esip-infoquality-bounces at lists.esipfed.org> on
> behalf of Ge Peng - NOAA Affiliate via Esip-infoquality <
> esip-infoquality at lists.esipfed.org>
> *Reply-To: *Ge Peng - NOAA Affiliate <ge.peng at noaa.gov>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 11:33 AM
> *To: *Hampapuram Ramapriyan <hampapuram.ramapriya at ssaihq.com>
> *Cc: *"esip-infoquality at lists.esipfed.org" <esip-infoquality at lists.
> esipfed.org>
> *Subject: *[Esip-infoquality] Peng's slides: FW: IQC telecon
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> Peng's slides
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> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Hampapuram Ramapriyan via
> Esip-infoquality <esip-infoquality at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
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> In case you have not received Megan’s message, I am forwarding it.
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> *From:* Moroni, David F (398G) [mailto:David.F.Moroni at jpl.nasa.gov]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:08 AM
> *To:* Hampapuram Ramapriyan; Ge Peng - NOAA Affiliate
> *Subject:* Re: IQC telecon
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> Hi Rama,
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> Here’s the updated link that Megan just created: https://global.
> gotomeeting.com/join/841228325
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> You may want to try using a different browser. It wasn’t working right for
> me in Firefox.
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> Cheers,
> David
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> *From: *Hampapuram Ramapriyan <hampapuram.ramapriya at ssaihq.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 8:04 AM
> *To: *"Moroni, David F (398G)" <David.F.Moroni at jpl.nasa.gov>, Ge Peng -
> NOAA Affiliate <ge.peng at noaa.gov>
> *Subject: *RE: IQC telecon
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> That is the link I have been trying and I get a message saying that it is
> an invalid number.
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> *From:* Moroni, David F (398G) [mailto:David.F.Moroni at jpl.nasa.gov]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:01 AM
> *To:* Ge Peng - NOAA Affiliate; Hampapuram Ramapriyan
> *Subject:* Re: IQC telecon
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> Try this link: https://www.gotomeeting.com/join/240974205. You have to do
> the drop down menu to select the meeting once GoToMeeting app loads.
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> I was able to get on, but it says it’s waiting for “ESIP Staff” before the
> meeting starts. I’m using computer audio.
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> Cheers,
> David
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> *From: *Ge Peng - NOAA Affiliate <ge.peng at noaa.gov>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 7:59 AM
> *To: *Hampapuram Ramapriyan <hampapuram.ramapriya at ssaihq.com>
> *Cc: *"Moroni, David F (398G)" <David.F.Moroni at jpl.nasa.gov>, Ge Peng <
> ge.peng at noaa.gov>
> *Subject: *Re: FW: IQC telecon
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> Me too - invalid meeting number ...
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> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Hampapuram Ramapriyan <
> hampapuram.ramapriya at ssaihq.com> wrote:
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> FYI. I am having trouble with the link. Do you know if it has changed?
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> *From:* Hampapuram Ramapriyan [mailto:hampapuram.ramapriya at ssaihq.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:56 AM
> *To:* 'Megan Carter'
> *Cc:* 'Erin Robinson'
> *Subject:* IQC telecon
> *Importance:* High
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> Hi Megan,
>
> I just tried the IQC meeting link https://www.gotomeeting.
> com/join/240974205 which does not work. This is the link everyone in the
> group has. I get a message that the link is invalid. Could you help? Need
> to start meeting in 5 minutes.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rama.
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> H. K. Ramapriyan (Rama)
>
> Science Systems and Applications, Inc.
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> NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
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> Hampapuram.Ramapriyan at ssaihq.com
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> (805) 402-7125
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> (orcid.org/0000-0002-8425-8943)
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> obligate any federal, state, or local government to perform any action or
> payment.*
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>
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>
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