[Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting

[Mark A. Parsons]

I like it, Rob, but I might remove the "long-term data stewardship"  
prefix or make it a suffix. We want it to be obviously and directly  
relevant to AGU scientists.

Cheers,

-m.
On 12 Aug 2009, at 5:35 PM, Raskin, Rob (388M) wrote:

> And here is another possible title, somewhat of a compromise between  
> Bernard's and Ruth's suggestions:
>
> "Long-term data stewardship: Peer-reviewed data publication and  
> other strategies to ensure sustainable science"
>
> -Rob
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Rob Raskin
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> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster [jbminster at ucsd.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 15:33
> To: Ruth Duerr
> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data  
> preservation and    a townhall meeting
>
> All:
> I agree to be a co-sponsor and to present the AGU statement.
>
> I also agree with Ruth that the town hall meeting will be more
> successful if it is more focused.
>
> I do not concur with Ruth's suggested title, though.  While most AGU
> members will agree with the broad statements about data, and perhaps
> will not contribute much to the town hall, the issue that I think
> should be front and center is "the publication OF data".  What is
> required is a fundamental change of mind-set in the research community
> (especially academia). People who put together verifiable and
> corrected, and calibrated, etc data sets do not have a way to place
> this in their list of publications, and often are passed over for
> promotion, tenure, etc, compared to their colleagues who use their
> data!  This is a difficult issue that calls for a community
> discussion.   I would offer something more like:
>
> "Peer-reviewed publication of data: the undervalued contribution to
> verifiable science"
>
> .... Just my view!
> Cheers,
> Bernard
>
>
>
>
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> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> The AGU statement is very broad.  While we could co-sponsor a session
>> with a similarly broad focus, it might be more practical to limit the
>> session much as you suggest, though I think the session should  
>> address
>> both producers and consumers of data.
>>
>> How about a title like "Research, Publications, and Data: Practices  
>> to
>> Ensure Verifiable Science" - I think such a title lends itself to  
>> that
>> slightly broader focus and would allow discussion of identifiers in a
>> more direct manner.  It's not a great title, so if someone else has
>> something catchier that gets the point across, please suggest it!
>>
>> Other than that, I think your general approach works for me.  Any
>> other ideas?
>>
>> - Ruth
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ESIP preservationists,
>>>
>>> The AGU position statement on "The Importance of Long-term
>>> Preservation and Accessibility of Geophysical Data" was approved by
>>> the AGU Council last spring and is available at http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/geodata.shtml
>>>
>>> Note the last sentence in the fifth paragraph:
>>> "The scientific community should recognize the professional value of
>>> such [data production] activities by endorsing the concept of
>>> publication of data, to be credited and cited like the products of
>>> any other scientific activity, and encouraging peer-review of such
>>> publications."
>>>
>>> Bernard Minster (copied), chair of the panel that wrote the new
>>> position statement, likes the idea of a townhall meeting, and I
>>> believe would be willing to coconvene with us. I'm happy to help  
>>> too.
>>>
>>> The task now is to draft an abstract. I'm willing to take a first
>>> crack, if y'all agree the topic. I suggest  something like "Research
>>> publication and data referencing practices to ensure verifiable
>>> science, sponsored by the AGU Data Panel and the ESIP Preservation
>>> and Stewardship Cluster"
>>>
>>> Perhaps, Bernard could introduce the position statement. Rob or Ruth
>>> could speak on ESIP approaches/best practices (including the work on
>>> identifiers). I could then moderate a discussion.
>>>
>>> Let me know what y'all think?
>>>
>>> Finally, I note that the International Polar Year developed some
>>> data citation guidelines that may be useful: http://ipydis.org/data/citations.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -m.
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