[Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting
Ramapriyan, Hampapuram K. (GSFC-4230)
hampapuram.k.ramapriyan at nasa.gov
Thu Aug 13 10:06:24 EDT 2009
Bernard,
I would love to have as well as eat the cake! I like your second title.
Rama.
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Dr. H. K. Ramapriyan (Rama)
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-----Original Message-----
From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:10 PM
To: Ruth Duerr
Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting
I agree. So we are left with:
Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to ensure
verifiable science
Or if we want our cake and eat it too:
Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to sustain
verifiable science
:-)
Bernard
On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
> I agree with Mark about removing the "long-term.." phrase. I also
> like it, though I might also change "sustainable" to "verifiable.
>
> - Ruth
> "
> On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>
>> I like it, Rob, but I might remove the "long-term data stewardship"
>> prefix or make it a suffix. We want it to be obviously and directly
>> relevant to AGU scientists.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -m.
>> On 12 Aug 2009, at 5:35 PM, Raskin, Rob (388M) wrote:
>>
>>> And here is another possible title, somewhat of a compromise
>>> between Bernard's and Ruth's suggestions:
>>>
>>> "Long-term data stewardship: Peer-reviewed data publication and
>>> other strategies to ensure sustainable science"
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>> Rob Raskin
>>> Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering and Archiving
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
>>> Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>> Pasadena, CA 91109
>>> (818) 354-4228
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster [jbminster at ucsd.edu]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 15:33
>>> To: Ruth Duerr
>>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>>
>>> All:
>>> I agree to be a co-sponsor and to present the AGU statement.
>>>
>>> I also agree with Ruth that the town hall meeting will be more
>>> successful if it is more focused.
>>>
>>> I do not concur with Ruth's suggested title, though. While most AGU
>>> members will agree with the broad statements about data, and perhaps
>>> will not contribute much to the town hall, the issue that I think
>>> should be front and center is "the publication OF data". What is
>>> required is a fundamental change of mind-set in the research
>>> community
>>> (especially academia). People who put together verifiable and
>>> corrected, and calibrated, etc data sets do not have a way to place
>>> this in their list of publications, and often are passed over for
>>> promotion, tenure, etc, compared to their colleagues who use their
>>> data! This is a difficult issue that calls for a community
>>> discussion. I would offer something more like:
>>>
>>> "Peer-reviewed publication of data: the undervalued contribution to
>>> verifiable science"
>>>
>>> .... Just my view!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jean-Bernard Minster e-mail: jbminster at ucsd.edu
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>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>
>>>> The AGU statement is very broad. While we could co-sponsor a
>>>> session
>>>> with a similarly broad focus, it might be more practical to limit
>>>> the
>>>> session much as you suggest, though I think the session should
>>>> address
>>>> both producers and consumers of data.
>>>>
>>>> How about a title like "Research, Publications, and Data:
>>>> Practices to
>>>> Ensure Verifiable Science" - I think such a title lends itself to
>>>> that
>>>> slightly broader focus and would allow discussion of identifiers
>>>> in a
>>>> more direct manner. It's not a great title, so if someone else has
>>>> something catchier that gets the point across, please suggest it!
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, I think your general approach works for me. Any
>>>> other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> - Ruth
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi ESIP preservationists,
>>>>>
>>>>> The AGU position statement on "The Importance of Long-term
>>>>> Preservation and Accessibility of Geophysical Data" was approved
>>>>> by
>>>>> the AGU Council last spring and is available at http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/geodata.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the last sentence in the fifth paragraph:
>>>>> "The scientific community should recognize the professional value
>>>>> of
>>>>> such [data production] activities by endorsing the concept of
>>>>> publication of data, to be credited and cited like the products of
>>>>> any other scientific activity, and encouraging peer-review of such
>>>>> publications."
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernard Minster (copied), chair of the panel that wrote the new
>>>>> position statement, likes the idea of a townhall meeting, and I
>>>>> believe would be willing to coconvene with us. I'm happy to help
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>> The task now is to draft an abstract. I'm willing to take a first
>>>>> crack, if y'all agree the topic. I suggest something like
>>>>> "Research
>>>>> publication and data referencing practices to ensure verifiable
>>>>> science, sponsored by the AGU Data Panel and the ESIP Preservation
>>>>> and Stewardship Cluster"
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, Bernard could introduce the position statement. Rob or
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>> could speak on ESIP approaches/best practices (including the work
>>>>> on
>>>>> identifiers). I could then moderate a discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what y'all think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, I note that the International Polar Year developed some
>>>>> data citation guidelines that may be useful: http://ipydis.org/data/citations.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> -m.
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