[Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure

Tue Nov 19 01:51:48 EST 2013

Hi Sarah,

Well, when I printed your version it came out looking the way you described it!  It is true that I was using the pdf version rather than the ppt version the last time I printed it, so I suppose that could have affected the way it looked when I printed the first version out.  However, I rather like the longer list of courses covering two pages and do think that the Other Training Resources section fits nicely on the back.  I think it is looking really good!

Ruth

On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Ramdeen, Sarah <ramdeen at email.unc.edu> wrote:

> I made a few changes to the layout and adjusted the list of short courses.  Hopefully that section looks better.  I set it up so that once you open it theoretically (if I have this right? I haven’t printed it yet) the inside of the front has the list of courses, and the back page folded in continues the list.  Once you open it fully you have more background information, and on the very back are the links etc. 
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> The picture of the earth was not the one associated with the link, so I took it out (and also ran out of room).  I am not sure if we can use the picture on the front, that one looks like something purchased for use (the link goes to a library website) – did you contact the library for permission or do you think it is creative commons?   I would assume there would be less of an issue with the one inside as it looks created specifically for NOAA.
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> I am sorry if I am kind of boring, but to be honest the reflective text was making it difficult to read, so I took that feature out.  My only concern now would be to test print it and make sure the columns line up properly, and that nothing is too close to the edge.  I tried to make a few changes based on Ruth’s comments as well.  Let me know if I can do more to help, and feel free to take what you want from these suggested changes and disregard the rest J
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> Thanks,
> Sarah
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> Sarah Ramdeen PhD Student
> School of Information and Library Science
> University of North Carolina
> ramdeen at email.unc.edu
> http://ramdeen.web.unc.edu/
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> From: esip-preserve-bounces at lists.esipfed.org [mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at lists.esipfed.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Hoebelheinrich
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 8:06 PM
> To: 'Ruth Duerr'
> Cc: esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org
> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure
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> Hi, Ruth:
> Thanks for your comments.  I think you’ve got it backwards – once someone opens the brochure, the first thing they should see is the list of courses on the left hand side;  the Other Training Sources would then be seen as the next trifold and when you open it up fully, the “The Data Management Problem” doublefold would be seen.  When the trifold is handed out, you’d see the ESIP Data Management for Scientists Short Course fold in front with the prominent “The Federation of Earth Scientists, [et al] on the front and the “Location” information on the back.  If it didn’t print right, I can see how that could be confusing.  I’ll make sure the designers understand what the intention is. 
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> Regarding your Earth Science domain comment for Data Management, I see your point, but it might be better to make that more clear in the “Data Management Problem” section rather than in the title as the title of the Short Course is established per the registered DOIs. 
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> Regarding the Other Training Sources lists and your suggestions to categorize them by Earth Science and not, we may have to see how the whole brochure works out in terms of space, so I’ll keep your comments under advisement. 
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> Thanks again.
> Nancy
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> Nancy J. Hoebelheinrich
> Information Analyst/Principal
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> From: Ruth Duerr [mailto:rduerr at nsidc.org] 
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:42 PM
> To: Nancy Hoebelheinrich
> Cc: 'Robert R. Downs'; esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org
> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure
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> Hi Nancy,
>  
> I think that in general you have all the right parts and pieces but after printing it out and folding it up I realized that the arrangement of all the parts and pieces is not optimal.  To be exact, I think that the Other Training sources page should not be what folks see when they open the cover of the tri-fold.  That needs to be advertisement for the ESIP materials, not advertising for somebody else's materials.  I suggest switching the list of courses with that section - I think folks should only see the non-ESIP materials list when they open the tri-fold completely up. 
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> Second, while the data management problem is a general one, I really don't think that we should be claiming that we are providing training to scientists in all disciplines.  Somewhere obvious - like even on the front page - it should be made very clear that this training is Earth science centric….  Perhaps that means changing the title to include the words Earth Science…?
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> I do think that letting a designer figure out how to do the grouping of courses is the way to go.  I really don't like long lists that don't have some sort of organization or grouping.  They just make my eyes glaze over and make it hard to see what is really being offered…
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> Lastly,  the number of places that have good training materials is now large and getting larger, especially now that there are many groups with training for other disciplines.   The materials we have on that page vary from being very Earth science centric (DataOne, IEDA) to being very generic (DCC).  While these are the groups we've talked to or talked about as a group, I guess we have several choices for how to deal with the landscape as a whole.  What I think we should do is to group DataOne and IEDA under a heading like Selected Earth Science Training and the DCC under something like General Data Management Training  - the point being that we don't want folks to think that we aren't aware of the larger set of materials that is out there or to hand this to their favorite scientist friend who just so happens to be a chemist or something, without it being very clear that we are aiming this training to the Earth science community.
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> Ruth
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> On Nov 18, 2013, at 3:46 PM, "Nancy Hoebelheinrich" <njhoebel at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for your comments, Bob.  Another person has suggested that we change the list of courses from alphabetical by title to listed by category or section which I had thought of doing, but couldn’t quite figure out how to do and still fit on the page.  A professional designer might be able to accomplish that by more creative arranging, or perhaps by not listing all of the courses.   What would you think of that option in a larger font?
> Nancy
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> Nancy J. Hoebelheinrich
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> From: esip-preserve-bounces at lists.esipfed.org [mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at lists.esipfed.org] On Behalf Of Robert R. Downs
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 2:18 PM
> To: esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org
> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure
>  
> Hello Nancy,
> 
> The  draft looks good! My only suggestion would be to try to make the font a little larger for the list of courses. Perhaps this could be done by reducing the line spacing a bit so that the list will continue to fit in the same column.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob
> 
> Robert R. Downs, PhD
> Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of Research
> Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN),
> The Earth Institute, Columbia University
> P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA
> Voice: 845-365-8985; fax: 845-365-8922
> E-mail: rdowns at ciesin.columbia.edu
> Columbia University CIESIN Web site: http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu
> 
> On 11/14/2013 10:52 AM, Nancy Hoebelheinrich wrote:
> Hello, all:
> As discussed in the last Data Stewardship committee meeting, we decided to go ahead and draft a version of a brochure for handout at AGU and other places on the Data Management for Scientists Short course in anticipation of having the proposal accepted by the Finance Committee.  So, I’ve come up with a first draft that we can both refine via email, hopefully, and then hand off to a professional designer.  See what you-all think, and send comments, questions to the list.  The draft is done in powerpoint although I’ve also included a PDF version of it.  Note that slide 1 is the outside view of a trifold and slide 2 is the inside view.  I’d love to get feedback by early next week.  Thanks!
> Nancy
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