[Esip-sustainabledm] Plans for our ROI sesion at ESIP, including Neil Beagrie
Margaret O'Brien
margaret.obrien at ucsb.edu
Mon Jul 3 13:15:56 EDT 2017
Hi all -
This msg from Anne appears to have not gone thru.
We have a call next week, 7/14. Our action items were to check out the most
recent Beagrie material, and Anne had brought up a few topics here as well.
Here is the link to the newest background material from the Beagrie group:
https://www.cessda.eu/eng/Projects/All-projects/CESSDA-SaW/WP4/Cost-Benefit-Advocacy-Toolkit
Also see the regular monthly VTC notes.
http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Sustainable_Data_Management
I'll send out a reminder for next Friday's call early next week.
Margaret
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From: Anne Wilson <Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>
To: Esip-sustainabledm <esip-sustainabledm-bounces at lists.esipfed.org>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:34:41 +0000
Subject: FW: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science
Information Partners
Hi all,
Neil Beagrie is on board with joining our session at ESIP. Please see his
message below. Using his proposed outline, we would have a 45 minute
presentation from him, followed by 30 minutes for discussion.
As Neil, et al, are developing tools for social and biomedical domains, an
interesting question to include in our discussion is the possibility of
developing a Value and Impact Toolkit for earth and space science.
And, does anyone know of other impact/ROI work for organizations or data
centers in our earth and space science domain? I am not familiar with the
NOAA report Neil cites below – does anyone else know it?
And, finally, he did provide some references: (We have reviewed the 2nd
extensively already.)
- The Value and Impact of the European Bioinformatics Institute. Full
Report, 2016, Authors Neil Beagrie and John Houghton (PDF file)
http://www.beagrie.com/EBI-impact-report.pdf
<http://www.beagrie.com/EBI-impact-report.pdf>
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- The Value and Impact of Data Sharing and Curation: A synthesis of
three recent studies of UK research data centres, Authors Neil Beagrie and
John Houghton (PDF file) http://repository.jisc.
ac.uk/5568/1/iDF308_-_Digital_Infrastructure_Directions_
Report%2C_Jan14_v1-04.pdf
<http://repository.jisc.ac.uk/5568/1/iDF308_-_Digital_Infrastructure_Directions_Report%2C_Jan14_v1-04.pdf>
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- Big Science and Innovation, Report to the Department of Business,
Innovation and Skills, London, 2013, Authors Technopolis https://www.gov.
uk/government/publications/big-science-and-innovation—2
<https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/big-science-and-innovation--2>
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- CESSDA SaW ROI Factsheet, 2017, Charles Beagrie Ltd and CESSDA,
http://dx.doi.org/10.18448/16.0002 <http://dx.doi.org/10.18448/16.0002>
Happy Holiday!
Anne
From: Anne Wilson
Date: Monday, July 3, 2017 at 10:26 AM
To: Neil Beagrie
Cc: Anne Wilson
Subject: Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science
Information Partners
Hi Neil,
This is excellent, thank you! The outline for the session you propose
sounds just right. I’m happy to try to arrange a test of the
connectivity, though I think, in theory, every room is enabled for web
conferencing for all the sessions. Not sure about performance…
Thank you for the references, I’ll share that with the group. We have
reviewed 2nd one extensively already.
And, yes, I fully expected that there are no short cuts. There’s the rub!
I’m sure there are people who would be interested in developing a Toolkit
for earth and space science. ESIP would be the obvious venue for that,
though funding it would be a big question. Let’s get that topic on our
agenda for the session as well.
I will ask our group about other impact/ROI work and let you know ASAP
what, if anything comes up. I am not familiar with the NOAA report, but
probably others are.
We’ll be in touch. Thank you so much for being willing to speak with us!
I’m greatly looking forward to our discussions!
Anne
From: Neil Beagrie
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:31 AM
To: Anne Wilson
Subject: RE: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science
Information Partners
Hi Anne
Yes I still have the provisional date and 2pm uk time in my diary.
I can put together slides covering impact studies and the CESSDA-SaW
toolkit and aim to speak for around 45 minutes perhaps with 30 minutes for
questions and discussion. It would be useful to do a test or two ahead of
the presentation maybe sometime the day before and sometime before on the
day just so we have technical arrangements that are robust (hopefully!).
For homework in advance of the session, I would recommend the following:
The Value and Impact of the European Bioinformatics Institute. Full Report,
2016, Authors Neil Beagrie and John Houghton (PDF file)
http://www.beagrie.com/EBI-impact-report.pdf
The Value and Impact of Data Sharing and Curation: A synthesis of three
recent studies of UK research data centres, Authors Neil Beagrie and John
Houghton (PDF file) http://repository.jisc.ac.uk/5568/1/iDF308_-_Digital_
Infrastructure_Directions_Report%2C_Jan14_v1-04.pdf
Big Science and Innovation, Report to the Department of Business,
Innovation and Skills, London, 2013, Authors Technopolis
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/big-science-and-innovation--2
CESSDA SaW ROI Factsheet, 2017, Charles Beagrie Ltd and CESSDA,
http://dx.doi.org/10.18448/16.0002
To be honest though, there are no short cuts on ROI for data centers –
economic methods are well established but obtaining robust impact data is
hard and therefore costs – if it is successful in securing funding for a
data center it is a relatively cheap outlay but probably only large data
centers will commission such work.
The CESSDA toolkit was specifically developed to try to fill a gap that
creates. It is tailored to social sciences and draws on examples from
social science impact studies where available. However it has generic
relevance and with additional desk research and re-tailoring can be
re-purposed for other disciplines and research services. We have started
discussing that for biological sciences with Elixir (the European
equivalent of CESSDA in biology), so I have developed ideas for how to do
that. If developing a Value and Impact Toolkit for earth and space science
data repositories would be of interest and you would like to involve us, I
would be very happy to discuss it further and submit a proposal for
consideration if desired.
In terms of my own homework for the presentation, I am aware of the
economic impact study for NOAA but if you have done any review/compiled a
list of other economic impact/ROI work across your membership, I would be
very grateful for details and will try to reference this as appropriate in
my presentation.
All best wishes
Neil
*From:* Anne Wilson <Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>
*Date:* 23 June 2017 02:07:31 BST
*To:* Neil Beagrie <neil at beagrie.com>
*Subject:* *Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science
Information Partners*
Hello, again, Neil,
My apologies for the radio silence since we last communicated. We held
our monthly telecon recently and discussed your addressing our ESIP working
group meeting by video on July 27, 9:00ET/14:00CET. We would like to move
forward with that option if possible - are you still available for it?
If so, I have been dispatched to communicate with you about what you and we
might discuss.
We are represent a small but broad variety of earth and space science data
repositories that are interested in providing ROI information to
stakeholders. Our vision is a framework that could be leveraged to one
extent or another by each of us, though we realize that in practice this is
very difficult due the wide variety in our domains, data volumes, user
base, maturity, resources, etc. Broadly, we seek help and advice in this
endeavor.
Also, we have been looking around the CESSDA ERIC site, trying to take in
the material that is there. We found several very interesting documents
under SAW. Though they pertain to social science data archives, much of
the material seems domain agnostic and possibly applicable. There is a lot
there, and we are rather wading through it.
With this in mind, is there anything in particular you like to present to
us? And, around our particular question of determining ROI of a data
center, can you provide any advice or suggestions? Do you know of any low
hanging fruit? Short cuts? Particularly effective approaches? Or??
We are available to do a bit of homework in advance of the session, if you
have anything that you suggest we read beforehand in order to get going a
little faster.
We are completely open to talking about any ideas you might have. Please
let me know what you think. If some kind of voice communication would
make this easier to discuss, we could arrange that. Thank you again for
considering this!
Sincerely,
Anne Wilson
*From: *Neil Beagrie
*Date: *Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:36 AM
*To: *Anne Wilson
*Subject: *RE: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science
Information Partners
Hi Anne
Currently 5 hours – according to my world meeting planner 9am Thursday 27th
July in Indianapolis will be 14.00 in the UK.
All best wishes
Neil
*From:* Anne Wilson [mailto:Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu
<Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>]
*Sent:* 22 May 2017 16:04
*To:* Neil Beagrie <neil at beagrie.com>
*Cc:* Philip Tarrant <philip.tarrant at asu.edu>; Anne Wilson <
Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>
*Subject:* Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science
Information Partners
Thank you, Neil! It’s great to hear from you and get a quick response.
Offhand I think video communication would work well, though I do need to
confer with my group. Please stand by for more information.
Am I correct that you are 6 hours ahead of Eastern Time?
Anne
*From: *Neil Beagrie
*Date: *Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 1:40 AM
*To: *Anne Wilson
*Cc: *Philip Tarrant
*Subject: *Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science
Information Partners
Hi Anne
thank you for the invitation to come to your meeting in Bloomington.
Unfortunately I would be unable to take the time out to travel in late
July. However I would be happy to present over a video link if that is a
feasible alternative. Let me know if you think that would work. Similarly
happy to do a Q&A session remotely.
all best wishes
Neil
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 2:13 AM, Anne Wilson <Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>
wrote:
Dear Dr. Beagrie,
Greetings from two members of the Federation of Earth Science Information
Partners (ESIP, http://esipfed.org/). My colleague Phil Tarrant, from
Arizona State University, contacted you earlier this year on the topic of
data repository ROI. I am Anne Wilson, from the Laboratory for Atmospheric
and Space Physics (LASP). We are both members of the ESIP Working Group on
Sustainable Data Management, http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.
php/Sustainable_Data_Management.
Our group has been been particularly focused on how to evaluate the return
on investment of a data center, and has greatly benefited from your
publications on that topic. It seems that the importance of this topic is
growing not just in the Earth and space sciences, but with scientific data
in general in the US, as we face dwindling budgets and greater demands
around data.
Our working group is planning a session at the ESIP meeting to be held this
summer. We requested and were awarded funding from ESIP and also an NSF
grant to invite you to the summer meeting in order to meet with you. The
commitment we seek would be to give a presentation regarding your work and
experience for general appeal, plus possibly an additional working session
with our group where we could ask you for questions and advice. We did note
the recent release of your Cost-Benefit Advocacy Toolkit, which we are
eager to learn about further.
Phil and I are pleased to offer you $1K plus meeting registration and hotel
expenses if you would be willing to meet with us. The meeting is in
Bloomington, Indiana, July 25 - 28. Our session is on July 27, 9:00 AM.
Would you please let us at your earliest convenience know if you are
interested and available? Please let us know if you have any questions or
concerns. Thank you for thinking about this!
Sincerely,
Anne Wilson
Phil Tarrant
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Neil Beagrie
Charles Beagrie Ltd
url: www.beagrie.com
email: neil at beagrie.com
mobile: 07973300869
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