[Esip-citationguidelines] meeting today

[Matthew Mayernik]

Hi Mark, all,
I think it will also be important to consider a related question, which is,
at what point CAN you identify a particular object for reproducibility?
Best,
Matt

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:44 AM Parsons, Mark via Esip-citationguidelines <
esip-citationguidelines at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:

> Thanks all for the lively discussion and thanks to whoever was taking
> notes
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls/edit#>.
> I updated the notes a bit.
>
> Next time, we will discuss: At what point in an object’s lifecycle or
> under what circumstances do you need to identify a particular object for
> reproducibility? (We will consider credit separately at a different time.)
> Sheet 2 of the spreadsheet begins to spell this out. We can try and
> complete it at our next call.
>
> We won’t have a telecon in July, but some of us will try and gather at
> summer meeting to discuss further. We can revisit more formally at our
> August call, which should also be informed by the citation session at the
> summer meeting.
>
> cheers,
>
> -m.
>
>
> On 20 Jun 2019, at 06:09, Mark Parsons via Esip-citationguidelines <
> esip-citationguidelines at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The plan for today is to continue to review the matrix of citation
> concerns and research objects
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VEYPLgTsCR_zbMUbThonBrqaYqBiMT4e525NzFi7ql8/edit?usp=sharing>.
> I think this is our last attempt to see if this approach really makes any
> sense or is helpful.
>
> Meanwhile, I’ve been thinking more and more that we need to completely
> separate access and credit. The only place they really bundle well
> together in a citation is for papers.
>
> Access is objective. Credit is subjective. Access is neat. Credit is
> fuzzy. Access must be explicit and precise.
> Credit must have enough options or information for a human to make a
> choice. Credit in what context? academic citation or other
> professional credit situations—CV, job advancement, recognition and social
> capital, professional accountability? Whatever it usually requires human
> assessment of its value.  We could start characterizing these contexts, but
> I don’t think it would help. The best we can do is provide the info and
> context and let the user figure it out. But what info?
>
> Anyway, talk at Noon Eastern:
>
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> cheers,
>
> -m.
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