[Esip-citationguidelines] meeting today

[Parsons, Mark]

Thanks all for the lively discussion and thanks to whoever was taking notes<https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ooEixbchKp-qgAG7qtnebKrWDYsutt4d2eX3HsaWls/edit#>. I updated the notes a bit.

Next time, we will discuss: At what point in an object’s lifecycle or under what circumstances do you need to identify a particular object for reproducibility? (We will consider credit separately at a different time.) Sheet 2 of the spreadsheet begins to spell this out. We can try and complete it at our next call.

We won’t have a telecon in July, but some of us will try and gather at summer meeting to discuss further. We can revisit more formally at our August call, which should also be informed by the citation session at the summer meeting.

cheers,

-m.


On 20 Jun 2019, at 06:09, Mark Parsons via Esip-citationguidelines <esip-citationguidelines at lists.esipfed.org<mailto:esip-citationguidelines at lists.esipfed.org>> wrote:

Hi all,

The plan for today is to continue to review the matrix of citation concerns and research objects<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VEYPLgTsCR_zbMUbThonBrqaYqBiMT4e525NzFi7ql8/edit?usp=sharing>. I think this is our last attempt to see if this approach really makes any sense or is helpful.

Meanwhile, I’ve been thinking more and more that we need to completely separate access and credit. The only place they really bundle well together in a citation is for papers.

Access is objective. Credit is subjective. Access is neat. Credit is fuzzy. Access must be explicit and precise.
Credit must have enough options or information for a human to make a choice. Credit in what context? academic citation or other professional credit situations—CV, job advancement, recognition and social capital, professional accountability? Whatever it usually requires human assessment of its value.  We could start characterizing these contexts, but I don’t think it would help. The best we can do is provide the info and context and let the user figure it out. But what info?

Anyway, talk at Noon Eastern:

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cheers,

-m.
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