[Esip-documentation] ACDD meeting: time and agenda

Anna Milan - NOAA Federal via Esip-documentation esip-documentation at lists.esipfed.org
Thu Dec 11 17:15:40 EST 2014 

Minutes from today's meeting are here:
http://commons.esipfed.org/node/7713

Anyone attending today is welcome to improve.

Anna
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Anna.Milan at noaa.gov, 303-497-5099
NOAA/NESDIS/NGDC

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/metadata/emma
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:48 PM, John Graybeal via Esip-documentation <
esip-documentation at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:

> Nan, best of luck with your surgery, I hope it goes (is going) great.
>
> I will bring this email up at the call today, to see if there is anyone
> with specific ideas or desire to carry these ideas forward.
>
> In particular, with respect to publisher*, summarizing the issues: (a)
> circular definition, (b) file may be written before identify of publisher
> is known, and (c) it doesn't identify the writer of the data
>
> So I will put forward the wordings
>  "The name of the [entity] responsible for publishing the data [...] to
> users"
>  "The name of the [entity] responsible for assembling or providing the
> data [...] to users"
>  "The name of the [entity] responsible for disseminating the data [...] to
> users"
> to get a read on what's desired. (Like Ken, I always thought the person
> running the web site IS the primary point of contact, because they should
> know who provided the data to the web site. And if someone has *assembled*
> a data set from other sources, I consider the assembler the creator. But I
> know different groups like to use these terms different ways—many use
> creator for the PI—and I hate circular definitions!)
>
> In any case, if we do replace the circular word 'publishing' in the
> definition, we will do it for all the attributes that use it.
>
> John
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2014, at 09:29, Nan Galbraith via Esip-documentation <
> esip-documentation at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi all -
>
> Sorry I won't be able to make the meeting, I'm having a little shoulder
> repair surgery tomorrow.
>
> One thing I'd like to add, that I don't think we've discussed is some kind
> of guidance for anyone who might update the 'metrics' for v1.3.
>
> There are clearly attributes on this list that do not apply to some kinds
> of
> data - for example, there is no 'product_version' for in situ
> observational
> data.  Can we break up the 'suggested' attributes into ones that we think
> should be included in most data sets vs ones that are 'suggested if
> applicable' - with the latter being omitted from any metrics that might be
> used to 'grade' data sets?
>
> Second, we still have a circular definition of 'publisher' terms.
>
> IMHO, the publisher is often NOT the person who runs a data server,
> unless that person also takes responsibility for the contents and format
> of the dataset. In some cases, the server is more like a store, with
> various
> publications (of varying quality, in different formats) on shelves. And,
> any
> given NetCDF dataset may be on many servers - do they each claim to be
> the publisher?
>
> The person who formats the thing, and makes it available to the servers,
> and is responsible for the contents, is the publisher,  for OceanSITES,
> anyway. This is the way we've got to use this term, so I'd love to find
> a definition that allows it to be used, meaningfully, in different
> scenarios.
>
> We discussed this in November, in the thread 'ACDD meeting #3 results,
> topics for tomorrow.'  Although I did not get anyone to agree with me on
> who the publisher should be, we also didn't come up with an alternate
> term for the definition. Nor did we answer the problem:
> *a)  the identity of the person who runs the archive or portal may not be *
> * known when the file is written**.*
>
>
> Last, I hope there will be some time for editing afterward, if only for
> style
> and readability, since it's so hard to produce good text on a webex.
>
> Cheers -
> Nan
>
> On 12/10/14 2:06 AM, John Graybeal via Esip-documentation wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>  Based on the Doodle poll, all respondents can make Thursday at 4 PM
> Eastern, 1 PM Pacific.  Erin will set up the call soon, and we will provide
> that information in separate email.  Thank you all for your patient
> Doodling.
>
>  You can see the proposed changes in version 1.3.5 of the document at
>
> http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Attribute_Convention_for_Data_Discovery_1-3
>
>  The agenda so far is:
>
>  1) Section: Alignment with NetCDF and CF Conventions    (rewrite for
> clarity)
> 2) Section: Maintenance of Metadata     (rewrite for clarity)
> 3) Section: Comma-Separated Lists      (minor edits for clarity)
> 4) Attribute: standard_name_vocabulary
>     * Default outcome is no change, unless someone requests a vote
>     * Doodle poll of preferences is at http://doodle.com/9erdnp4ma74aa7ew
>     * See my summary within Topic 1 and Appendix of this post
> <http://www.lists.esipfed.org/pipermail/esip-documentation/2014/000454.html>
> 5) Attribute: product_version         (modified proposal is in the
> document)
>     * software_version has been withdrawn
> 6) Attribute: cdm_data_type          (proposal is in the document)
>     * see proposal, summary, and references
> <http://www.lists.esipfed.org/pipermail/esip-documentation/2014/000466.html>
>  email
> <http://www.lists.esipfed.org/pipermail/esip-documentation/2014/000466.html>
>  [3]
> 7) Final comments and wrap-up
>
>  I encourage comments to the list if they will help resolve any of these
> topics. At this point, I suggest any new topics should represent
> significant issues or opportunities.
>
>  John
>
>  References
>
>  [1] Lastest ACDD document:
> http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Attribute_Convention_for_Data_Discovery_1-3
> [2] standard_name_vocabulary summary:
> http://www.lists.esipfed.org/pipermail/esip-documentation/2014/000454.html
> [3] cdm_data_type proposal/summary:
> http://www.lists.esipfed.org/pipermail/esip-documentation/2014/000466.html
>
>
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