[Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting
Ruth Duerr
rduerr at nsidc.org
Thu Aug 13 13:03:02 EDT 2009
To maximize participation I think we should lobby for Monday night...
- Ruth
On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Peter Fox wrote:
> Hi all, a note on the TH organization. At the PC meeting a number of
> us lobbied
> for additional TH nights,
>
> Sunday, 13 December, 1830h–1930h; Monday, 14 December, 1930h–2030h;
> and Thursday, 17 December, 1830h–1930h.
>
> So please take that into account as part of the submission and the
> audience you want to
> attract.
>
> ---Peter.
>
>
>
> On 13/08/2009, at 11:45 AM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>
>> I agree. I'll draft an abstract based on that title and send it
>> around for review.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -m.
>> On 13 Aug 2009, at 8:06 AM, Ramapriyan, Hampapuram K. (GSFC-4230)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bernard,
>>>
>>> I would love to have as well as eat the cake! I like your second
>>> title.
>>>
>>> Rama.
>>>
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:10 PM
>>> To: Ruth Duerr
>>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>>
>>> I agree. So we are left with:
>>>
>>> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to ensure
>>> verifiable science
>>>
>>> Or if we want our cake and eat it too:
>>>
>>> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to sustain
>>> verifiable science
>>>
>>>
>>> :-)
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Mark about removing the "long-term.." phrase. I also
>>>> like it, though I might also change "sustainable" to "verifiable.
>>>>
>>>> - Ruth
>>>> "
>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like it, Rob, but I might remove the "long-term data
>>>>> stewardship"
>>>>> prefix or make it a suffix. We want it to be obviously and
>>>>> directly
>>>>> relevant to AGU scientists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> -m.
>>>>> On 12 Aug 2009, at 5:35 PM, Raskin, Rob (388M) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And here is another possible title, somewhat of a compromise
>>>>>> between Bernard's and Ruth's suggestions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Long-term data stewardship: Peer-reviewed data publication and
>>>>>> other strategies to ensure sustainable science"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>> Rob Raskin
>>>>>> Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering and Archiving
>>>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
>>>>>> Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>>>>> Pasadena, CA 91109
>>>>>> (818) 354-4228
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster [jbminster at ucsd.edu]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 15:33
>>>>>> To: Ruth Duerr
>>>>>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>>>>>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All:
>>>>>> I agree to be a co-sponsor and to present the AGU statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also agree with Ruth that the town hall meeting will be more
>>>>>> successful if it is more focused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not concur with Ruth's suggested title, though. While
>>>>>> most AGU
>>>>>> members will agree with the broad statements about data, and
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> will not contribute much to the town hall, the issue that I think
>>>>>> should be front and center is "the publication OF data". What is
>>>>>> required is a fundamental change of mind-set in the research
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> (especially academia). People who put together verifiable and
>>>>>> corrected, and calibrated, etc data sets do not have a way to
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> this in their list of publications, and often are passed over for
>>>>>> promotion, tenure, etc, compared to their colleagues who use
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> data! This is a difficult issue that calls for a community
>>>>>> discussion. I would offer something more like:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Peer-reviewed publication of data: the undervalued
>>>>>> contribution to
>>>>>> verifiable science"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .... Just my view!
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Bernard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jean-Bernard Minster e-mail: jbminster at ucsd.edu
>>>>>> Professor of Geophysics Phone: (858)534-5650
>>>>>> FAX: (858) 534-2902
>>>>>> WWW: http://igpp-sw.ucsd.edu/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scripps Institution of Oceanography
>>>>>> University of California
>>>>>> IGPP (0225)
>>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92093
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FEDEX Address:
>>>>>> IGPP Rm 2210
>>>>>> Scripps Institution of Oceanography
>>>>>> 8765 Biological Grade, EAMS Code 6317
>>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92037
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The AGU statement is very broad. While we could co-sponsor a
>>>>>>> session
>>>>>>> with a similarly broad focus, it might be more practical to
>>>>>>> limit
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> session much as you suggest, though I think the session should
>>>>>>> address
>>>>>>> both producers and consumers of data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about a title like "Research, Publications, and Data:
>>>>>>> Practices to
>>>>>>> Ensure Verifiable Science" - I think such a title lends itself
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> slightly broader focus and would allow discussion of identifiers
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> more direct manner. It's not a great title, so if someone
>>>>>>> else has
>>>>>>> something catchier that gets the point across, please suggest
>>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other than that, I think your general approach works for me.
>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>> other ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi ESIP preservationists,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The AGU position statement on "The Importance of Long-term
>>>>>>>> Preservation and Accessibility of Geophysical Data" was
>>>>>>>> approved
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> the AGU Council last spring and is available at http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/geodata.shtml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note the last sentence in the fifth paragraph:
>>>>>>>> "The scientific community should recognize the professional
>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> such [data production] activities by endorsing the concept of
>>>>>>>> publication of data, to be credited and cited like the
>>>>>>>> products of
>>>>>>>> any other scientific activity, and encouraging peer-review of
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> publications."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bernard Minster (copied), chair of the panel that wrote the new
>>>>>>>> position statement, likes the idea of a townhall meeting, and I
>>>>>>>> believe would be willing to coconvene with us. I'm happy to
>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The task now is to draft an abstract. I'm willing to take a
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> crack, if y'all agree the topic. I suggest something like
>>>>>>>> "Research
>>>>>>>> publication and data referencing practices to ensure verifiable
>>>>>>>> science, sponsored by the AGU Data Panel and the ESIP
>>>>>>>> Preservation
>>>>>>>> and Stewardship Cluster"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps, Bernard could introduce the position statement. Rob or
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>> could speak on ESIP approaches/best practices (including the
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> identifiers). I could then moderate a discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know what y'all think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, I note that the International Polar Year developed
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> data citation guidelines that may be useful: http://ipydis.org/data/citations.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -m.
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