[Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data preservation and a townhall meeting
Peter Fox
pfox at cs.rpi.edu
Thu Aug 13 13:16:05 EDT 2009
I will note that in the PC discussions but please also include some
text in the proposal
supporting this.
---Peter.
On 13/08/2009, at 1:03 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
> To maximize participation I think we should lobby for Monday night...
>
> - Ruth
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Peter Fox wrote:
>
>> Hi all, a note on the TH organization. At the PC meeting a number
>> of us lobbied
>> for additional TH nights,
>>
>> Sunday, 13 December, 1830h–1930h; Monday, 14 December, 1930h–2030h;
>> and Thursday, 17 December, 1830h–1930h.
>>
>> So please take that into account as part of the submission and the
>> audience you want to
>> attract.
>>
>> ---Peter.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13/08/2009, at 11:45 AM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. I'll draft an abstract based on that title and send it
>>> around for review.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -m.
>>> On 13 Aug 2009, at 8:06 AM, Ramapriyan, Hampapuram K. (GSFC-4230)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bernard,
>>>>
>>>> I would love to have as well as eat the cake! I like your second
>>>> title.
>>>>
>>>> Rama.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [mailto:esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:10 PM
>>>> To: Ruth Duerr
>>>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>>>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>>>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>>>
>>>> I agree. So we are left with:
>>>>
>>>> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to ensure
>>>> verifiable science
>>>>
>>>> Or if we want our cake and eat it too:
>>>>
>>>> Peer-reviewed data publication and other strategies to sustain
>>>> verifiable science
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>> Bernard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Mark about removing the "long-term.." phrase. I also
>>>>> like it, though I might also change "sustainable" to "verifiable.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Ruth
>>>>> "
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like it, Rob, but I might remove the "long-term data
>>>>>> stewardship"
>>>>>> prefix or make it a suffix. We want it to be obviously and
>>>>>> directly
>>>>>> relevant to AGU scientists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -m.
>>>>>> On 12 Aug 2009, at 5:35 PM, Raskin, Rob (388M) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here is another possible title, somewhat of a compromise
>>>>>>> between Bernard's and Ruth's suggestions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Long-term data stewardship: Peer-reviewed data publication and
>>>>>>> other strategies to ensure sustainable science"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Rob Raskin
>>>>>>> Group Supervisor, Science Data Engineering and Archiving
>>>>>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section
>>>>>>> Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>>>>>>> Pasadena, CA 91109
>>>>>>> (818) 354-4228
>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>> From: esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org [esip-preserve-bounces at rtpnet.org
>>>>>>> ] On Behalf Of Jean-Bernard Minster [jbminster at ucsd.edu]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 15:33
>>>>>>> To: Ruth Duerr
>>>>>>> Cc: David M Clark; ESIP Preservation cluster
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] AGU Position statement on data
>>>>>>> preservation and a townhall meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All:
>>>>>>> I agree to be a co-sponsor and to present the AGU statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also agree with Ruth that the town hall meeting will be more
>>>>>>> successful if it is more focused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not concur with Ruth's suggested title, though. While
>>>>>>> most AGU
>>>>>>> members will agree with the broad statements about data, and
>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>> will not contribute much to the town hall, the issue that I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> should be front and center is "the publication OF data". What
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> required is a fundamental change of mind-set in the research
>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>> (especially academia). People who put together verifiable and
>>>>>>> corrected, and calibrated, etc data sets do not have a way to
>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>> this in their list of publications, and often are passed over
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> promotion, tenure, etc, compared to their colleagues who use
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> data! This is a difficult issue that calls for a community
>>>>>>> discussion. I would offer something more like:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Peer-reviewed publication of data: the undervalued
>>>>>>> contribution to
>>>>>>> verifiable science"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .... Just my view!
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Bernard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jean-Bernard Minster e-mail: jbminster at ucsd.edu
>>>>>>> Professor of Geophysics Phone: (858)534-5650
>>>>>>> FAX: (858) 534-2902
>>>>>>> WWW: http://igpp-sw.ucsd.edu/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scripps Institution of Oceanography
>>>>>>> University of California
>>>>>>> IGPP (0225)
>>>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92093
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FEDEX Address:
>>>>>>> IGPP Rm 2210
>>>>>>> Scripps Institution of Oceanography
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>>>>>>> La Jolla, CA 92037
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The AGU statement is very broad. While we could co-sponsor a
>>>>>>>> session
>>>>>>>> with a similarly broad focus, it might be more practical to
>>>>>>>> limit
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> session much as you suggest, though I think the session should
>>>>>>>> address
>>>>>>>> both producers and consumers of data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about a title like "Research, Publications, and Data:
>>>>>>>> Practices to
>>>>>>>> Ensure Verifiable Science" - I think such a title lends
>>>>>>>> itself to
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> slightly broader focus and would allow discussion of
>>>>>>>> identifiers
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> more direct manner. It's not a great title, so if someone
>>>>>>>> else has
>>>>>>>> something catchier that gets the point across, please suggest
>>>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other than that, I think your general approach works for me.
>>>>>>>> Any
>>>>>>>> other ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Ruth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Mark A. Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi ESIP preservationists,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The AGU position statement on "The Importance of Long-term
>>>>>>>>> Preservation and Accessibility of Geophysical Data" was
>>>>>>>>> approved
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> the AGU Council last spring and is available at http://www.agu.org/outreach/science_policy/positions/geodata.shtml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note the last sentence in the fifth paragraph:
>>>>>>>>> "The scientific community should recognize the professional
>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> such [data production] activities by endorsing the concept of
>>>>>>>>> publication of data, to be credited and cited like the
>>>>>>>>> products of
>>>>>>>>> any other scientific activity, and encouraging peer-review
>>>>>>>>> of such
>>>>>>>>> publications."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bernard Minster (copied), chair of the panel that wrote the
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> position statement, likes the idea of a townhall meeting,
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> believe would be willing to coconvene with us. I'm happy to
>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The task now is to draft an abstract. I'm willing to take a
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> crack, if y'all agree the topic. I suggest something like
>>>>>>>>> "Research
>>>>>>>>> publication and data referencing practices to ensure
>>>>>>>>> verifiable
>>>>>>>>> science, sponsored by the AGU Data Panel and the ESIP
>>>>>>>>> Preservation
>>>>>>>>> and Stewardship Cluster"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, Bernard could introduce the position statement. Rob
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>> could speak on ESIP approaches/best practices (including the
>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> identifiers). I could then moderate a discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know what y'all think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Finally, I note that the International Polar Year developed
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> data citation guidelines that may be useful: http://ipydis.org/data/citations.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -m.
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