[Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure

Tue Nov 19 15:20:15 EST 2013

Hi, Sarah:

The link for the image of the earth went to the copyright information for
the image as directed by the library link;  both of the images seemed ok to
use given the copyright information.

Thanks for your help on the layout, and all the other comments.  Thanks to
all others who commented as well.  Looks like the proposal was accepted by
the Finance Committee, so I'll proceed with help from Erin & Carol.  

Nancy

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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 8:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure

I made a few changes to the layout and adjusted the list of short courses.
Hopefully that section looks better.  I set it up so that once you open it
theoretically (if I have this right? I haven't printed it yet) the inside of
the front has the list of courses, and the back page folded in continues the
list.  Once you open it fully you have more background information, and on
the very back are the links etc.  

The picture of the earth was not the one associated with the link, so I took
it out (and also ran out of room).  I am not sure if we can use the picture
on the front, that one looks like something purchased for use (the link goes
to a library website) - did you contact the library for permission or do you
think it is creative commons?   I would assume there would be less of an
issue with the one inside as it looks created specifically for NOAA.

I am sorry if I am kind of boring, but to be honest the reflective text was
making it difficult to read, so I took that feature out.  My only concern
now would be to test print it and make sure the columns line up properly,
and that nothing is too close to the edge.  I tried to make a few changes
based on Ruth's comments as well.  Let me know if I can do more to help, and
feel free to take what you want from these suggested changes and disregard
the rest J

Thanks,
Sarah

Sarah Ramdeen PhD Student

School of Information and Library Science

University of North Carolina

ramdeen at email.unc.edu

http://ramdeen.web.unc.edu/

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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 8:06 PM
To: 'Ruth Duerr'
Cc: esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org
Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure

Hi, Ruth:
Thanks for your comments.  I think you've got it backwards - once someone
opens the brochure, the first thing they should see is the list of courses
on the left hand side;  the Other Training Sources would then be seen as the
next trifold and when you open it up fully, the "The Data Management
Problem" doublefold would be seen.  When the trifold is handed out, you'd
see the ESIP Data Management for Scientists Short Course fold in front with
the prominent "The Federation of Earth Scientists, [et al] on the front and
the "Location" information on the back.  If it didn't print right, I can see
how that could be confusing.  I'll make sure the designers understand what
the intention is.  

Regarding your Earth Science domain comment for Data Management, I see your
point, but it might be better to make that more clear in the "Data
Management Problem" section rather than in the title as the title of the
Short Course is established per the registered DOIs.  

Regarding the Other Training Sources lists and your suggestions to
categorize them by Earth Science and not, we may have to see how the whole
brochure works out in terms of space, so I'll keep your comments under
advisement.  

Thanks again.

Nancy

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Nancy J. Hoebelheinrich

Information Analyst/Principal

nhoebel at kmotifs.com

San Mateo, CA  94401

(v) 650-302-4493

(f) 650-745-3333

From: Ruth Duerr [mailto:rduerr at nsidc.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:42 PM
To: Nancy Hoebelheinrich
Cc: 'Robert R. Downs'; esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org
Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure

Hi Nancy,

I think that in general you have all the right parts and pieces but after
printing it out and folding it up I realized that the arrangement of all the
parts and pieces is not optimal.  To be exact, I think that the Other
Training sources page should not be what folks see when they open the cover
of the tri-fold.  That needs to be advertisement for the ESIP materials, not
advertising for somebody else's materials.  I suggest switching the list of
courses with that section - I think folks should only see the non-ESIP
materials list when they open the tri-fold completely up. 

Second, while the data management problem is a general one, I really don't
think that we should be claiming that we are providing training to
scientists in all disciplines.  Somewhere obvious - like even on the front
page - it should be made very clear that this training is Earth science
centric..  Perhaps that means changing the title to include the words Earth
Science.?

I do think that letting a designer figure out how to do the grouping of
courses is the way to go.  I really don't like long lists that don't have
some sort of organization or grouping.  They just make my eyes glaze over
and make it hard to see what is really being offered.

Lastly,  the number of places that have good training materials is now large
and getting larger, especially now that there are many groups with training
for other disciplines.   The materials we have on that page vary from being
very Earth science centric (DataOne, IEDA) to being very generic (DCC).
While these are the groups we've talked to or talked about as a group, I
guess we have several choices for how to deal with the landscape as a whole.
What I think we should do is to group DataOne and IEDA under a heading like
Selected Earth Science Training and the DCC under something like General
Data Management Training  - the point being that we don't want folks to
think that we aren't aware of the larger set of materials that is out there
or to hand this to their favorite scientist friend who just so happens to be
a chemist or something, without it being very clear that we are aiming this
training to the Earth science community.

Ruth

On Nov 18, 2013, at 3:46 PM, "Nancy Hoebelheinrich" <njhoebel at gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks for your comments, Bob.  Another person has suggested that we change
the list of courses from alphabetical by title to listed by category or
section which I had thought of doing, but couldn't quite figure out how to
do and still fit on the page.  A professional designer might be able to
accomplish that by more creative arranging, or perhaps by not listing all of
the courses.   What would you think of that option in a larger font?

Nancy

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Subject: Re: [Esip-preserve] Draft of Data Management short course brochure

Hello Nancy,

The  draft looks good! My only suggestion would be to try to make the font a
little larger for the list of courses. Perhaps this could be done by
reducing the line spacing a bit so that the list will continue to fit in the
same column.

Thanks,

Bob

Robert R. Downs, PhD
Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of Research
Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN),
The Earth Institute, Columbia University
P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA
Voice: 845-365-8985; fax: 845-365-8922
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On 11/14/2013 10:52 AM, Nancy Hoebelheinrich wrote:

Hello, all:

As discussed in the last Data Stewardship committee meeting, we decided to
go ahead and draft a version of a brochure for handout at AGU and other
places on the Data Management for Scientists Short course in anticipation of
having the proposal accepted by the Finance Committee.  So, I've come up
with a first draft that we can both refine via email, hopefully, and then
hand off to a professional designer.  See what you-all think, and send
comments, questions to the list.  The draft is done in powerpoint although
I've also included a PDF version of it.  Note that slide 1 is the outside
view of a trifold and slide 2 is the inside view.  I'd love to get feedback
by early next week.  Thanks!

Nancy

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