[Esip-preserve] potential NYT editorial on data

Thu May 4 15:06:44 EDT 2017

On Thu, 4 May 2017, Justin Goldstein - NOAA Affiliate wrote:

> Would there be an issue with someone from the exec branch submitting to
> "the Hill" (i.e., separation of powers?)

I don't know.  It might just require something as simple as stating that 
these are personal opinions, and not necessarily those of your employers'.

If they try to supress it entirely, there are issues of stepping on your 
first amendment rights.  (it came up w/ my response to the GSA re: the 
HTTPS-Only bullshit ... which they're forcing through anyway, and 
SPECIFICALLY requiring us to use 301 redirects, which breaks SOAP services 
(as it changes POSTs to GETs)

-Joe

> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Joe Hourcle via Esip-preserve <
> esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 4 May 2017, Matthew Mayernik via Esip-preserve wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>> I have not heard from the NYT, so according to their auto-response we can
>>> assume they do not want it. Any suggestions for next steps? EOS is an
>>> obvious possibility, but anybody want to argue for something else?
>>> Matt
>>>
>>
>> No specific ideas, unfortunately, but I think it needs to go into a
>> periodical that's not focused on scientists -- as that's just preaching to
>> the choir.
>>
>> Washington Post might get it into the eyes of more people, but it's
>> considered to have a liberal bent, so might get dismissed without reading
>> from the folks currently in power.
>>
>>
>> I think the Washington Times takes editorials.  I know one person there,
>> as she used to cover our town back before I was Town Commissioner ... but I
>> haven't seen her in ~9 years or so ... and she covers crime & such:
>>
>>         http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff/andrea-noble/
>>
>> ... I'm afraid they might be a little *too* conservative to accept it,
>> based on the "most popular" stuff they have in the sidebar right now.
>>
>>
>> I don't read it, but supposedly 'The Hill' is read by a lot of members of
>> Congress.  They have a form if you want to be a 'contributor' :
>>
>>         http://thehill.com/contributor-application-form
>>
>>
>> There's also Politico, The Atlantic ... but I don't know if they take
>> editorials.  I know that WTOP and Federal News Radio don't.
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Matthew Mayernik <mayernik at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks all. I did submit the article this afternoon. The submitted doc is
>>>> attached for your reference. I added a basic preliminary title, but the
>>>> NYT
>>>> op-ed guidance says that NYT will choose the title, so that's not
>>>> important. They sent me an auto-response that said that we should know
>>>> within 3 business days, and that if we don't hear by then, we can assume
>>>> they don't want it and submit elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for all of your input,
>>>> Best,
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Parsons, Mark <parsom3 at rpi.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well done, sir. You demonstrated exemplary inclusivity, leadership, and
>>>>> compelling writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> fingers crossed.
>>>>>
>>>>> -m.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 19:34, Matthew Mayernik via Esip-preserve <
>>>>> esip-preserve at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Thanks for all of your input. I've gone through your comments and edits
>>>>> and have a much improved draft. As I mentioned, I think timeliness is
>>>>> more
>>>>> important than the exact wording at this point, so I'd like to call it
>>>>> good
>>>>> enough, and ready to submit. I'll try to get it in today, not soon
>>>>> enough
>>>>> for this weekend, but potentially for next week if they like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I've had a few side conversations about authorship. I don't know
>>>>> NYT policies on authorship, but if they accept, I will work with them to
>>>>> find some way to indicate the group authorship, either in the by-line
>>>>> or as
>>>>> an added sentence somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Matthew Mayernik <mayernik at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I've put together a potential submission to the New York Times as a
>>>>>> follow-on to our data rescue document. Mark Parsons and Ruth Duerr
>>>>>> provided
>>>>>> a very helpful first edit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that the chances of being accepted are very slim, and largely
>>>>>> hinge on the timeliness of the topic, at this point I'd ask that you
>>>>>> focus
>>>>>> any feedback on 1) factual corrections, and/or 2) key calls to action,
>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>> what would we hopefully want people to do as a result of reading the
>>>>>> article. If it is accepted, the NYT would have major input in the final
>>>>>> column, so wordsmithing at this stage isn't necessary. For these
>>>>>> reasons, I
>>>>>> made the doc comment-only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do send any objections, however, to the idea of doing a NYT
>>>>>> editorial in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SGJnqaSqOK8UGsTATAicyTH_
>>>>>> W5rmBW6lSSZ8vLvN4iA/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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