[Esip-sustainabledm] AGU RoI related session?

Mon Apr 17 16:12:48 EDT 2017

I understand the frustration but I think the wording needs to be more
careful - there are decision/policy makers that are concerned
as we are and we don't want to paint too broad of strokes - possibly "some"
as an adjective to policy makers?
I would suspect that there are policy makers as frustrated as we are -

For what it's worth,
Rebecca

Executive Director, DataONE
University of New Mexico
1312 Basehart SE
Albuquerque, NM 87106

Email: rkoskela at unm.edu
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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Ruth Duerr via Esip-sustainabledm <
esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:

> Hi Anne,
>
> I guess I am having problems with the idea for this session on two fronts:
>
>
>    1. After having mentally altered the sentence "But making that
>    argument clearly and unambiguously is a challenge” to read “"But
>    making that argument clearly and unambiguously is a challenge in this
>    era where facts have no value to current decision-makers” I am having a
>    hard time trying to figure out what the point is at the moment.  Yes, that
>    is a very bad attitude; but one that is challenging me.
>    2. I’ve also seen the many agencies and science programs go the route
>    explored at the ROI session at the last ESIP meeting, a route that seems to
>    be pretty popular at the moment. That is to come up with a list of societal
>    benefits, for each identify the data/information needed to achieve that
>    benefit, and the precursor tools, models, data, etc. needed to create that
>    data/information, and chase that backwards through the value chain to the
>    repositories, etc. that acquire, preserve and distribute that data.  Now
>    this only works for things that have immediate impact which is a problem
>    for most pure research data.  How to handle the rest?
>
>
> In any case, at least I am thinking about it even if I have nothing useful
> to add at the moment.
>
> Ruth
>
> On Apr 17, 2017, at 1:43 PM, Anne Wilson via Esip-sustainabledm <
> esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> There was a loud silence in response to my request for help with a title
> and abstract for an RoI related session.  I will try again to stimulate
> some input by drafting a title and abstract, which is below.    (I hope
> this doesn’t reinforce more silence! )
>
> I did recall that last year, though abstracts describing the session were
> used in soliciting abstracts, in the end only the title of the session was
> provided in the meeting program.  I am assuming it will be the same this
> year.   So, the title can matter.
>
>
> Title:  How much is a data center worth?   Determining the value and
> contributions of a data center
>
> Abstract:
>
> Data centers are being asked to provide better access and services for
> more and more datasets over time, with a commensurate increase in the
> number of users relying on those data centers for essential data and
> services.    The difficulty is compounded by flat, inconsistent and/or
> unreliable funding for data centers.
>
> It seems as if these data services are valuable to their users and to
> society, and may even show a positive return on investment.   But making
> that argument clearly and unambiguously is a challenge.   Data center
> expenses and contributions range from easily measurable direct investments
> and use, to stated values, to estimated values, and finally to wider
> impacts that can not be directly measured.
>
> This session will explore methods for determining and possibly even
> quantifying the value that data centers provide, and/or measuring the
> return they provide.
>
>
>
> Please provide comments and feedback.   Thank you!
>
> Anne
>
>
> From: Esip-sustainabledm on behalf of "esip-sustainabledm at lists.
> esipfed.org"
> Reply-To: Anne Wilson
> Date: Friday, April 14, 2017 at 8:32 AM
> To: Corinna Gries, Shelley Stall, Kerstin Lehnert, Nancy Ritchey - NOAA
> Federal, "esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org"
> Subject: Re: [Esip-sustainabledm] AGU RoI related session?
>
> Great, Corinna, thank you!
>
> That makes four: Anne Wilson, Kerstin Lehnert, Nancy Ritchie, Corinna
> Gries.   Is that correct?   (And, we are indeed all the esip-sustainabledm
> list, correct?  Co-chairs, please let me know if you’re not on that list.
> I would prefer to simply send to the list…)
>
> Step 2 would be to create the title and abstract.   From my prior email:
>
>
> > The theme for ESSI (Earth and Space Science Informatics) this year is
> something like, “Shortening the time to science”.
> >
> > With that in mind, session titles might be something like
> >
> > - how to value the contributions of data centers?
> > - how do data centers shorten the time to science?
> > - data centers and their impacts
> > - shortening the time to science through robust data centers
> > - data center sustainability: RoI, funding, etc…
> > - ??
>
>
> Co-chairs, et al, suggestions for titles/abstracts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Anne
>
> From: Corinna Gries
> Date: Friday, April 14, 2017 at 7:23 AM
> To: Anne Wilson, Shelley Stall, Kerstin Lehnert, "
> esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org"
> Subject: Re: [Esip-sustainabledm] AGU RoI related session?
>
> HI Anne,
>
> no problem. A session at AGU would be a great continuation of our
> discussion and may bring in some more perspectives. I'll help organizing.
>
> Corinna
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Anne Wilson <Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2017 5:14 PM
> *To:* Shelley Stall; Kerstin Lehnert; esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org;
> Corinna Gries
> *Subject:* Re: [Esip-sustainabledm] AGU RoI related session?
>
> Thanks, Kerstin!  I’ll count you as one.   I would love to see 2 others
> commit to organizing the session, that would be a strong go vote and
> hopefully require less from each person.
>
> Thanks, Shelley, for adding Corrina.  Corrina, my apologies!
>
> Anne
>
> From: Esip-sustainabledm on behalf of "esip-sustainabledm at lists.
> esipfed.org"
> Reply-To: Shelley Stall
> Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:31 PM
> To: Kerstin Lehnert, "esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org", Corinna Gries
> Subject: Re: [Esip-sustainabledm] AGU RoI related session?
>
> Anne,
>
> And Corrina Gries had an interest in this as well. Adding her here to make
> sure she sees this.
>
> Shelley
>
> On 4/12/17, 4:27 PM, "Esip-sustainabledm on behalf of Kerstin A Lehnert
> via Esip-sustainabledm" <esip-sustainabledm-bounces at lists.esipfed.org on
> behalf of esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> I am actually right now at a workshop on 'Repository Collaboration'
> where we are talking a lot about ROI. I strongly support the theme of
> this session. It is fundamental for sustained support from funders and
> the science community, especially these days.
>
> I would be happy to help if there are not enough co-conveners.
>
> Kerstin
>
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> On 4/12/17 16:20 PM, Anne Wilson via Esip-sustainabledm wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > At RDA I received a bit of encouragement from Lesley Wyborn to submit a
> ROI and/or data center sustainability session proposal for the American
> Geophysical Union’s annual meeting in December. I know some of us are very
> familiar with AGU’s annual meeting, while I think others are not. The
> proposal deadline is a week from today. The meeting is in New Orleans this
> year, roughly the 2nd week of December.
> >
> > The theme for ESSI (Earth and Space Science Informatics) this year is
> something like, “Shortening the time to science”.
> >
> > With that in mind, session titles might be something like
> >
> > - how to value the contributions of data centers?
> > - how do data centers shorten the time to science?
> > - data centers and their impacts
> > - shortening the time to science through robust data centers
> > - data center sustainability: RoI, funding, etc…
> > - ??
> >
> > Is anyone out there interested in co chairing a session? I don’t really
> have the energy to be the sole champion of this effort, so would probably
> not do it without other interest and support.
> >
> > Lots of ??!
> >
> > Anne
> >
> >
> >
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