[Esip-sustainabledm] Fwd: Sustainable DM call, Friday 7/14 4PM EDT
Anne Wilson
Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu
Fri Jul 14 13:23:09 EDT 2017
HI all,
I’m looking forward to talking with you in a few hours. Just a reminder that at the bottom of this email thread are some references from Dr. Beagrie.
(Margaret, will you please see that my email goes through? Thank you!)
Anne
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Reply-To: Margaret O'Brien
Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 4:30 PM
To: esip-sustainabledm
Subject: [Esip-sustainabledm] Fwd: Sustainable DM call, Friday 7/14 4PM EDT
Hi all -
Reminder - we have a sustainable DM call this Friday, 4pm eastern.
Here is the call info:
* Join from computer, tablet or smartphone at: https://www.gotomeeting.com/join/618011013
* Dial in using your phone: :United States: +1 (571) 317-3122
* Access Code: 618-011-013
Agenda:
http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Sustainable_Data_Management/20170714_telcon_notes
Recall that we have the ROI session in Bloomington, and that our Friday agenda will focus on that. We want to have reviewed this newest background material from the Beagrie group, since Neil Beagrie will be a speaker in our session, with a discussion to follow:
https://www.cessda.eu/eng/Projects/All-projects/CESSDA-SaW/WP4/Cost-Benefit-Advocacy-Toolkit
see you Friday -
Margaret
Margaret O'Brien
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From: Margaret O'Brien <margaret.obrien at ucsb.edu<mailto:margaret.obrien at ucsb.edu>>
Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:15 AM
Subject: Plans for our ROI sesion at ESIP, including Neil Beagrie
To: esip-sustainabledm <esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org<mailto:esip-sustainabledm at lists.esipfed.org>>
Hi all -
This msg from Anne appears to have not gone thru.
We have a call next week, 7/14. Our action items were to check out the most recent Beagrie material, and Anne had brought up a few topics here as well.
Here is the link to the newest background material from the Beagrie group:
https://www.cessda.eu/eng/Projects/All-projects/CESSDA-SaW/WP4/Cost-Benefit-Advocacy-Toolkit
Also see the regular monthly VTC notes.
http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Sustainable_Data_Management
I'll send out a reminder for next Friday's call early next week.
Margaret
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:34:41 +0000
Subject: FW: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science Information Partners
Hi all,
Neil Beagrie is on board with joining our session at ESIP. Please see his message below. Using his proposed outline, we would have a 45 minute presentation from him, followed by 30 minutes for discussion.
As Neil, et al, are developing tools for social and biomedical domains, an interesting question to include in our discussion is the possibility of developing a Value and Impact Toolkit for earth and space science.
And, does anyone know of other impact/ROI work for organizations or data centers in our earth and space science domain? I am not familiar with the NOAA report Neil cites below – does anyone else know it?
And, finally, he did provide some references: (We have reviewed the 2nd extensively already.)
* The Value and Impact of the European Bioinformatics Institute. Full Report, 2016, Authors Neil Beagrie and John Houghton (PDF file) http://www.beagrie.com/EBI-impact-report.pdf
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* The Value and Impact of Data Sharing and Curation: A synthesis of three recent studies of UK research data centres, Authors Neil Beagrie and John Houghton (PDF file) http://repository.jisc.ac.uk/5568/1/iDF308_-_Digital_Infrastructure_Directions_Report%2C_Jan14_v1-04.pdf
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* Big Science and Innovation, Report to the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, London, 2013, Authors Technopolis https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/big-science-and-innovation—2<https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/big-science-and-innovation--2>
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* CESSDA SaW ROI Factsheet, 2017, Charles Beagrie Ltd and CESSDA, http://dx.doi.org/10.18448/16.0002
Happy Holiday!
Anne
From: Anne Wilson
Date: Monday, July 3, 2017 at 10:26 AM
To: Neil Beagrie
Cc: Anne Wilson
Subject: Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science Information Partners
Hi Neil,
This is excellent, thank you! The outline for the session you propose sounds just right. I’m happy to try to arrange a test of the connectivity, though I think, in theory, every room is enabled for web conferencing for all the sessions. Not sure about performance…
Thank you for the references, I’ll share that with the group. We have reviewed 2nd one extensively already.
And, yes, I fully expected that there are no short cuts. There’s the rub! I’m sure there are people who would be interested in developing a Toolkit for earth and space science. ESIP would be the obvious venue for that, though funding it would be a big question. Let’s get that topic on our agenda for the session as well.
I will ask our group about other impact/ROI work and let you know ASAP what, if anything comes up. I am not familiar with the NOAA report, but probably others are.
We’ll be in touch. Thank you so much for being willing to speak with us! I’m greatly looking forward to our discussions!
Anne
From: Neil Beagrie
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:31 AM
To: Anne Wilson
Subject: RE: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science Information Partners
Hi Anne
Yes I still have the provisional date and 2pm uk time in my diary.
I can put together slides covering impact studies and the CESSDA-SaW toolkit and aim to speak for around 45 minutes perhaps with 30 minutes for questions and discussion. It would be useful to do a test or two ahead of the presentation maybe sometime the day before and sometime before on the day just so we have technical arrangements that are robust (hopefully!).
For homework in advance of the session, I would recommend the following:
The Value and Impact of the European Bioinformatics Institute. Full Report, 2016, Authors Neil Beagrie and John Houghton (PDF file) http://www.beagrie.com/EBI-impact-report.pdf
The Value and Impact of Data Sharing and Curation: A synthesis of three recent studies of UK research data centres, Authors Neil Beagrie and John Houghton (PDF file) http://repository.jisc.ac.uk/5568/1/iDF308_-_Digital_Infrastructure_Directions_Report%2C_Jan14_v1-04.pdf
Big Science and Innovation, Report to the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, London, 2013, Authors Technopolis https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/big-science-and-innovation--2
CESSDA SaW ROI Factsheet, 2017, Charles Beagrie Ltd and CESSDA, http://dx.doi.org/10.18448/16.0002
To be honest though, there are no short cuts on ROI for data centers – economic methods are well established but obtaining robust impact data is hard and therefore costs – if it is successful in securing funding for a data center it is a relatively cheap outlay but probably only large data centers will commission such work.
The CESSDA toolkit was specifically developed to try to fill a gap that creates. It is tailored to social sciences and draws on examples from social science impact studies where available. However it has generic relevance and with additional desk research and re-tailoring can be re-purposed for other disciplines and research services. We have started discussing that for biological sciences with Elixir (the European equivalent of CESSDA in biology), so I have developed ideas for how to do that. If developing a Value and Impact Toolkit for earth and space science data repositories would be of interest and you would like to involve us, I would be very happy to discuss it further and submit a proposal for consideration if desired.
In terms of my own homework for the presentation, I am aware of the economic impact study for NOAA but if you have done any review/compiled a list of other economic impact/ROI work across your membership, I would be very grateful for details and will try to reference this as appropriate in my presentation.
All best wishes
Neil
From: Anne Wilson <Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu<mailto:Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>>
Date: 23 June 2017 02:07:31 BST
To: Neil Beagrie <neil at beagrie.com<mailto:neil at beagrie.com>>
Subject: Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science Information Partners
Hello, again, Neil,
My apologies for the radio silence since we last communicated. We held our monthly telecon recently and discussed your addressing our ESIP working group meeting by video on July 27, 9:00ET/14:00CET. We would like to move forward with that option if possible - are you still available for it?
If so, I have been dispatched to communicate with you about what you and we might discuss.
We are represent a small but broad variety of earth and space science data repositories that are interested in providing ROI information to stakeholders. Our vision is a framework that could be leveraged to one extent or another by each of us, though we realize that in practice this is very difficult due the wide variety in our domains, data volumes, user base, maturity, resources, etc. Broadly, we seek help and advice in this endeavor.
Also, we have been looking around the CESSDA ERIC site, trying to take in the material that is there. We found several very interesting documents under SAW. Though they pertain to social science data archives, much of the material seems domain agnostic and possibly applicable. There is a lot there, and we are rather wading through it.
With this in mind, is there anything in particular you like to present to us? And, around our particular question of determining ROI of a data center, can you provide any advice or suggestions? Do you know of any low hanging fruit? Short cuts? Particularly effective approaches? Or??
We are available to do a bit of homework in advance of the session, if you have anything that you suggest we read beforehand in order to get going a little faster.
We are completely open to talking about any ideas you might have. Please let me know what you think. If some kind of voice communication would make this easier to discuss, we could arrange that. Thank you again for considering this!
Sincerely,
Anne Wilson
From: Neil Beagrie
Date: Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:36 AM
To: Anne Wilson
Subject: RE: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science Information Partners
Hi Anne
Currently 5 hours – according to my world meeting planner 9am Thursday 27th July in Indianapolis will be 14.00 in the UK.
All best wishes
Neil
From: Anne Wilson [mailto:Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu]
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:04
To: Neil Beagrie <neil at beagrie.com<mailto:neil at beagrie.com>>
Cc: Philip Tarrant <philip.tarrant at asu.edu<mailto:philip.tarrant at asu.edu>>; Anne Wilson <Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu<mailto:Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>>
Subject: Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science Information Partners
Thank you, Neil! It’s great to hear from you and get a quick response. Offhand I think video communication would work well, though I do need to confer with my group. Please stand by for more information.
Am I correct that you are 6 hours ahead of Eastern Time?
Anne
From: Neil Beagrie
Date: Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 1:40 AM
To: Anne Wilson
Cc: Philip Tarrant
Subject: Re: Invitation to Summer meeting of Federation of Earth Science Information Partners
Hi Anne
thank you for the invitation to come to your meeting in Bloomington. Unfortunately I would be unable to take the time out to travel in late July. However I would be happy to present over a video link if that is a feasible alternative. Let me know if you think that would work. Similarly happy to do a Q&A session remotely.
all best wishes
Neil
On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 2:13 AM, Anne Wilson <Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu<mailto:Anne.Wilson at lasp.colorado.edu>> wrote:
Dear Dr. Beagrie,
Greetings from two members of the Federation of Earth Science Information Partners (ESIP, http://esipfed.org/). My colleague Phil Tarrant, from Arizona State University, contacted you earlier this year on the topic of data repository ROI. I am Anne Wilson, from the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics (LASP). We are both members of the ESIP Working Group on Sustainable Data Management, http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Sustainable_Data_Management.
Our group has been been particularly focused on how to evaluate the return on investment of a data center, and has greatly benefited from your publications on that topic. It seems that the importance of this topic is growing not just in the Earth and space sciences, but with scientific data in general in the US, as we face dwindling budgets and greater demands around data.
Our working group is planning a session at the ESIP meeting to be held this summer. We requested and were awarded funding from ESIP and also an NSF grant to invite you to the summer meeting in order to meet with you. The commitment we seek would be to give a presentation regarding your work and experience for general appeal, plus possibly an additional working session with our group where we could ask you for questions and advice. We did note the recent release of your Cost-Benefit Advocacy Toolkit, which we are eager to learn about further.
Phil and I are pleased to offer you $1K plus meeting registration and hotel expenses if you would be willing to meet with us. The meeting is in Bloomington, Indiana, July 25 - 28. Our session is on July 27, 9:00 AM.
Would you please let us at your earliest convenience know if you are interested and available? Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you for thinking about this!
Sincerely,
Anne Wilson
Phil Tarrant
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